Germany has *tightened its borders - *OP requested title tweak

[poppyzbrite4]

Is this the way to go?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-put-temporary-controls-all-land-borders-source-says-2024-09-09/

That's what Germany have said they're tightening up on. The border between Germany and France we usually travel through is literally just a sign at the side of the motorway saying welcome to Germany. But the border between Denmark and Sweden, for example, has the infrastructure that it can be closed and traffic directed through checkpoints.

France takes migrants from Italy back to Italy. We could intercept the vessels and tow them back to France but France refuses to accept them. It says it would be dangerous to intercept vessels and won't intervene.

Yes it would collapse. Which is why neighbouring countries try to work together to solve the issue. But sometimes grabbing headlines get prioritised.

How would you tow them back to France without France's agreement to do so?

That's the very point I'm making. France won't take them back.

Asylum seekers won't be in regular traffic trying to get through built toll booths.

They will be walking, so what is the plan? The border cannot be monitored for that unless you build something pretty high.

What does ?

ALL of our border crossings are already in the state Germany is moving towards on some of their crossings. They were while we were in the EU too.

Not if there is evidence that they were already in another Dublin country. And if they are crossing the border from a Dublin country in to Germany, that would be sufficient evidence.

Dunno, ask the German authorities.

All re arranging deck chairs.

The flow of migrants, across the Med into Europe needs to stop.

Unless that happens, reinstating borders etc is pointless, EU already as an external border but its completely porous to irregular travel.

No one seems to be able to say what numbers they are happy with and how they would limit them... not surprising really.

It's not possible. Unless a physical border is there.

That really will be the end of the EU

I have no idea why the statement has just slipped past without comment, I assume the party proposing it have little chance of enacting it.

No it isn't. You were trying to make the point that a country could refuse to 'take back' people who haven't actually left its territory.

What is very clear is that you're being very disingenous and using circular arguments. So I won't waste any further time with you.

This seems to be the important piece of info missing.

You obviously misunderstood what I was saying. I said that Germany could not send people back at the border if those countries such as Austria, wouldn't take them.

Wow. No. 1. Russian hackers are not to blame for Brexit. It was a democratic vote, that MANY many people saw as a way at last to make their feelings very clear about how ILLEGAL immigration has changed our communities and not for the good. The reason for the rise in knife crimes, and SAs in this country can be attributed in large part by people entering our country, with their own ideals on what is acceptable behaviour. They are not bored, they are not misunderstood, they think they are immune to any form of retribution because our governors are weak, and too scared of being labelled the R word. Germany have the right idea. This experiment is not working

Brexit was largely due to free movement which was part of being in the EU, not illegal immigration.

Do you have the evidence, a link perhaps, to knife crime and sexual assault (?) rising in the UK due to immigration?

No Russian hackers are not, Bojo, Cameron, Farage and weird media are, used to gain power, it had SFA to do with migration, which has trebled due to Brexit, as workers who come here now, from the other side of the world, want to bring in their families, which europeans didn't tended not to do.

Vast majority of crime in the UK is committed by white people as are sexual assaults.

On knife crime, its equal on the ethnicity of the assailant, 5.8% for both but of course proportionately, its against black communities.

May halting stop n search has probably had a bigger impact on knife crime and it tends to committed by people who were born here, 2nd or 3rd generation.

inamarina
In 2023, 74,622 applications were submitted by Germany [under Dublin rules] and only 5053 transfers happened.

And Germany accepted 4,269 transfers in exchange - so more of a swap than a reduction in numbers.

“Do you have the evidence, a link perhaps, to knife crime and sexual assault (?) rising in the UK due to immigration?“

@poppyzbrite4
I doubt the Germans have massively reliable statistical evidence either - statistics are just that, an expert can try and find something. The Germans need an excuse to check borders to show proportionality to other EU members, to appease the far right. Better that way than a far right government in the future. For the rest of the EU too.

And UK 100 per cent needs ID cards now. We need to use soft deterrent across the spectrum. We are also subject to a far right movement gaining even more traction here.
Leftie do-gooder idealists won’t fix it. Too many poor and elderly people of our own to look after.

Germany does have the statistical evidence. Sexual assault and knife crime has gone up and the culprits are refugees.

Statistics aren't 'just that' - prosecutions and crime records speak for themselves.

There is no evidence that immigration has led to a rise in crime in the UK.

@poppyzbrite4- “rise” or not, we have a gargantuan problem with knife crime in the UK! That certainly requires fixing.

Yes we do. The point being it's not down to immigration. It's down to lack of investment.

Germany has ID cards, I don't think it will resolve it as it hasn't there

https://theconversation.com/knife-crime-has-increased-in-england-and-wales-over-the-last-decade-heres-how-the-next-government-can-prevent-it-230905

Knife crime here: too many drugs, county lines and too easy to get hold of knives online.