Germany has *tightened its borders - *OP requested title tweak

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Is this the way to go?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-put-temporary-controls-all-land-borders-source-says-2024-09-09/

We need to do the same here.

And Germany has granted more asylum than most countries around it, I think. My guess is it will change. Germany can't afford it.

I have become quite sceptical about the gushing tendency to assume that the "West" can and should save people.

There was, ages ago, a Kate Adie piece before she became the host of From Our Own Correspondent, in which she compared the people she met in the Horn of Africa during her war correspondent years, either side of the invention of the smart phone.

On the first, the local translators and security people had little idea about the world beyond their horizons and were content to earn well from helping her team negotiate the first Sudanese war.

On her return trip, the local people all had smart phones and were dazzled by the apparent wealth and luxury that they saw on screen. They had a new ambition, almost universally shared, which was to get to the West and join in.

I don't disagree with anyone who believes that the US, UK and many other countries must bear a share of responsibility for the destabilisation of the ME and Africa, and especially Libya. Saddam Hussein, Bashir al-Assad and Muammar Qaddafi were/are despicable dictators. But they kept the lid on a lot of trouble, which is now happening on our doorstep.

"I'd love to hear your views" just shouts "I'm a journalist". No one talks like that.
Absolutely. Plus the op hasn't said what they think, apart from 'it's complicated ' so how can one respond either way?

Broadly, yes, yes and yes.

Read the article and add your thoughts - I presume you have those.

The ones I've worked with here in Sweden come because they know someone here already so it doesn't seem so scary, or they're frightened and think Sweden is less likely to send them back, or they think Sweden will give them the best chance to rebuild their lives and give their children a peaceful future. And then there was one man who arrived by accident. He paid people smugglers to get him out of his country after the government murdered his children, but he paid them to put him and his wife onto a boat to the UK. They put him on the wrong one and he ended up in Sweden and stayed.

Read the article and add your thoughts - I presume you have those.
You first. Perhaps you could move beyond lecturing other posters on their response to what is a real problem, while not suggesting a solution yourself?

Well, I'd like to put this evil genie back into the bottle, but it's only with camera tricks that you can pour spilt milk uphill.

I've already given my thoughts on the issue and debated with people regarding it. If you check my posts, you'll see what I've contributed to the thread.

Your turn. I'm looking forward to your pearls of wisdom.

If it prevents the entrance of criminals and terrorists so be it. That is what borders are for. Citizens of any country should come first against the potential danger of open borders.

Your turn. I'm looking forward to your pearls of wisdom.
No thanks. (Are you this obnoxious in real life)?

I’m not sure what a journalist gains from asking a random bunch of online mums for their views on German border checks.

They can just look at the comments section of any online article on the matter.

if you want a story about your husband cleaning his penis in a beaker however…

By here, do you mean the UK ??

Because if so, we already enacted much stricter border controls than Germany did prior to this change, and do now following this change.

You know in Germany previously due to Schengen you could generally cross border checkpoints without being stopped at all.

And now you can be stopped and checked.

In the UK, all border checkpoints* are always checked.

*I am not talking about the complicated situation regarding Ireland / Northern Ireland borders.

I could ask the same thing.

Knowing someone already there can clearly be a factor too, although not in all cases.

And it was not in the Torys' interest to do anything at all about it, because if they dealt with the crisis in a sensible way, then they wouldn't be able use it as a wedge issue. Hence the batshit Rwanda plan.

And Germany has granted more asylum than most countries around it, I think. My guess is it will change. Germany can't afford it.

Looks like changes are already being proposed. The BBC report linked to by a pp says;

Since the Solingen stabbing, Chancellor Olaf Scholz's government has announced a raft of measures on migration.
They include changing the rules so asylum seekers facing deportation will lose benefits, and resuming the deportation of convicted Afghan criminals to their home country for the first time since the Taliban returned to power in 2021.

I think all EU countries will get tougher on immigration, they'll have to or Far Right groups will get more and more votes.

Rwanda was a disgrace. But they deliberately created a backlog of cases and I'm partly blaming them for the riots because for years, they've dehumanised asylum seekers and that was the result; thugs trying to burn them alive.

Germany is now talking about using Rwandan facilities to process asylum seekers.

No but the UK Govt would still like to benefit from it by returning refugees to other countries. It's why UK is now paying France to try to halt the small boats and all hell is breaking loose in the Republic of Ireland because the UK is ignoring refugees/economic migrants arriving into Belfast and trotting across the border and then refusing to accept they landed in the UK first. UK has been trying to have their cake and eat it.

Hopefully Labour can apply some sense to this and get to a half decent set of policies and systems which allow for applications to be made and accepted/denied without spending millions on crackpot schemes to send people to Rwanda. It's the lack of such a system for refugees in particular which is driving the exodus across the channel. But I accept I am oversimplifying what is now a global problem and will frankly only accelerate with climate change. War will have nothing on that.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what-is-the-dublin-regulation/
This is useful and simple overview

@TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams

thank you. Extremely concerning regarding the problems created in ROI, again this is news to me. There is little to no coverage of this in the mainstream media.

Yes it's been suggested. I seriously doubt they'll do it given the white elephant it is.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyl5p2zd50o

OP, aren’t you contradicting yourself here a bit:

I don't agree with what Merkel did. I'm not surprised that Germany is experiencing repercussions after letting all those men, from a vastly different culture, into Germany.

vs.

Going back to human rights, we should help people fleeing persecution. Like I said, it's only a very small percentage of immigration into the country.

Isn’t that exactly what Merkel tried to do, help people fleeing persecution?

You say it’s a very small percentage of immigration into a country, but then, who are all “these men” you’re talking about “many of whom were sniggering about gender equality”? Do you think they’re there on work visa? And a way to reduce their numbers would be investing in local work force?

I haven't rtft but I noticed a BBC article yesterday

'The CDU - the party of former Chancellor Angela Merkel - has proposed turning all asylum seekers back at the border, even those who are eligible, on the basis they have travelled through other safe EU countries.

Gerhard Karner, Austria's interior minister, told Bild newspaper on Monday that his country would not take in any migrants rejected by Germany.'

Does anyone know how this is possible for Germany under international law?

And if it is why other EU countries won't do the same, and overload the entry points hugely