Germany has *tightened its borders - *OP requested title tweak

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Is this the way to go?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-put-temporary-controls-all-land-borders-source-says-2024-09-09/

Yes I'm a journalist and no one talks like that. You've got me bang to rights. Stitched up like a kipper.

Isn't it interesting that the "first safe country" argument is so prevalent on an island.

The main rule is that you must apply for asylum in the first safe country you arrive in. Read the Dublin regulation and stop spreading misinformation.

I think the same as I think when any other Schengen country does this: it's a basic right and a negotiated safety valve that eases the pressure of an ambitious but still imperfect system where local law enforcement isn't fully seamless across "open" international borders and national immigration and visa policies about third country nationals intentionally differ. I'm not familiar with German institutions specifically but it's typically a public safety measure rather than a political statement, and while it can be slightly inconvenient for third country travelers it's otherwise fairly uncontroversial.

No. The main rule of the Dublin Regulation is that the country where an asylum seeker first enters the EU is responsible for processing their application. If an asylum seeker applies for protection in another Dublin country, they will be sent back to the country that first considered their application.

We went from Austria to Germany but train and the Police got on at the border and checked passports. They removed a couple of young men who I think were from India or Pakistan, they said they were residents but had no ID so were taken off.
So they alrwady had land border controls

You're right it doesn't. But the EU's Dublin Agreement does state it. So countries within the EU are subject to it.

The Dublin Regulation requires the first MS at which an asylum seeker is registered to process their application but it doesn't impose any such requirements or restrictions on the asylum seekers themselves. If they go straight through a country then present themselves to the authorities at a second country then the second country is responsible.

Urghhh. Why are you still spouting rubbish? The absolute irony of telling others to read the source material when you clearly haven’t - or you have and have totally misunderstood what it says.

No it doesn't.

The main rule of the Dublin Regulation is that the country where an asylum seeker first enters the EU is responsible for processing their application. If an asylum seeker applies for protection in another Dublin country, they will be sent back to the country that first considered their application.

Populist issues? we have just rejected a right-wing Tory party, as have the French, the RN came a distant 3rd, Germany's AfD won in a small part of the former Eastern Germany.

They've reinstated border controls because a rise in migrant crime.

Strongest Economy?? i don't think so. Growth from a low level is not the same as "Strongest" our debt to gdp is super hi, govt borrowing costs among the highest in europe and inflation has risen.

We also got a failed healthservice, water industry and wrecked roads.

Vast majority of migrants who come to Europe stay in Europe, they don't want to come here, those that do, have family ties or see the UK as a last chance, having been refused asylum elsewhere.

Turkey has 3 million refugees, Jordan has 3 million, Bangladesh has 1 million etc. These are not super rich countries in the first place.

This is true, but bear in mind that they deal with refugees in a way that many would find unacceptable in eg the UK, for instance large tent encampments, no pathway to long-term residency etc.

All they are doing is increasing border checks

no they haven't!

This is simply untrue and is a trope beloved of people who hate refugees
More information here.
https://freemovement.org.uk/are-refugees-obliged-to-claim-asylum-in-the-first-safe-country-they-reach/

No it doesn't what? Are you just being pedantic about the use of the wording 'first safe country' rather than 'first EU country'?

Oooh, burn!

Not 😂

You're still wrong. This is getting awkward lol
That is not at all what the Dublin regulation is/says. There is no 'main rule' that says what you claim.

Surely closing boarders is not allowing anyone in or out. Many countries did this at some point during the start and height of covid.

I think the OP has chosen a misleading and conterversial title.

@Alexandra2001 - if we end up the only country in Europe without ID cards whose hands are we going to be playing into?
Politics is like chess, one needs to think a few moves ahead. Not keep looking backwards.

Germany is almost landlocked so it’s easier to secure borders. It’s more difficult for us as we are an island. Unless we’re hoping to claim asylum in one of the other three countries in the U.K. we can’t do it

These are genuine questions from thoughts that I have just been reflecting on.

Do you think that generally, women and children refugees tend to escape to nearest point of safety, and end up in refugee camps? And that generally a disproportionate number of those asylum seekers and refugees who travel further to look for "a better life" rather than just "not being killed right now" are young men, because young men are not tied down to children, or too sick or old to move countries under difficult circumstances easily? And do you think that generally those young men who manage these journeys are quite resourceful, and willing to break the local law if necessary (not a moral judgement) in order to escape their current situation - eg by bribing a lorry driver or hiding in a shipment? And that they must have a huge investment in the idea of their new life to undertake these tribulations and dangers? And that when they do end up in, say, Germany they find that their cultural /refugee peers are almost all other young men - limiting the ease with which they might form loving relationships with those from similar cultural, ethnic and religious backgrounds? Which might be lonely. And that these resourceful young men willing to bend the law where needed are not able to work and better their situation for a year or more whilst their paperwork is processed, leading to staying in a new country where one might be physically safe but there are no young women of one's background to socialise with, no productive way to spend time, and cramped accommodation which feels dehumanising?

I wonder if all of this is part of the reason for what appears to now be happening. Psychosocial factors leading to (understandable) frustration and disaffection and ultimately the effect is a rise in knife crime?

What do you mean "is this the way to go?" from a German or a UK perspective?

UK's borders are pretty tricky to just wander across as a refugee

Please let me know what isn't clear about safe country, which is anywhere in the world and EU country, which are European countries in the EU.

@Diverze - yes of course.
But there is an erosion of living standards in Britain, France and Germany due to our own ageing population, which is our duty to support as well, and to educate our children and protect our poor. Encouraging all the young men with the energy to change their own countries does not help those countries either.
So we can have full empathy for their own situations.
However, our duties are to our existing vulnerable communities.

And this is exactly why there is an erosion of the line between what is traditionally the left and the right. It is why it was not clear why the far right or far left would get in in France.

Our own Government need to wake up and smell where the wind is blowing. They have lost control. The Tories also had lost control. Russian hackers are probably to blame for Brexit and that was hushed under the carpet as well.

Many countries are fed up with rising levels of immigration.Is tightening the border and turning people away, the way to go?