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School banning banter

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Citrusblast92u · 10/09/2024 07:45

DS is in year 11. They had a whole school assembly yesterday's entitled 'banning bants', this includes banter between friends. One strike and they're in detention, 2 and they have to attend a workshop, 3 and parents have to attend the workshop, 4 and the police are called.

I asked him what they meant by bants and he said anything that anyone might find offensive. His mates have spent many hours at our house. They're a lovely bunch of lads, very polite and kind but their main form of communication with each other is piss taking.

Just after some opinions really rather than an AIBU.

Yabu-banter should be banned
Yanbu-they can't ban banter

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Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:07

InattentiveADHD · 10/09/2024 18:53

This. Exactly. You can't ban it, that's ridiculous and is limiting free speech. Plus banning anything that someone might find offensive is definitely limiting free speech, and is getting into very dangerous territory. There's always someone who will find something offensive. And free speech is an essential tenet of democracy. It's also very important that free speech is not limited in educational settings as it limits debate and the development of critical thinking skills.

I was a victim of bullying. It's left me with long term mental health issues, one of which is serious. I therefore feel very strongly that bullying should be stamped out and schools should have a zero tolerance policy to it. Banter can stray into bullying, and bullying can be passed off as banter but they are two very different things. Banning banter is using a hammer to crack a nut, and limiting free speech in the process. Deal with the problem. Don't make a problem for everyone when the issue is with the few, and don't limit the rights of everyone because a few are misbehaving.

Free speech- heard it all now!

Frazzlededucator · 10/09/2024 19:08

I did my Master's Thesis about bullying in school. It usually begins with what the perpetrator calls banter. It's very difficult to stop. I applaud any school taking a stand and identifying what is unacceptable. Well done to that school.

marcopront · 10/09/2024 19:10

@Everanewbie

I'm a broken record, but its context, context, context.

That is the point I was trying to make.

It is not easy to tell the difference between poking fun and tormenting because context is everything.

Namechangejustincase24 · 10/09/2024 19:11

As a parents of an Autistic child, who’s father is also autistic it’s all seen as bullying and makes school a hated place, people should be educated on the impact of their words.

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:13

It’s funny I’ve managed to get to my 50s and never found it necessary to tease/ engage in banter at school or in the workplace.

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:15

Sadly some children just can’t tell the difference between bullying, banter and being offensive.

Createausername1970 · 10/09/2024 19:17

There is a time and a place for most conversations, and by Y11 they should know that there is a difference between what they might say between themselves, and what they might say in front of their nans.

Or in a workplace.

No idea how school will regulate it, but the principle is fine.

dreamer24 · 10/09/2024 19:18

JeremiahBullfrog · 10/09/2024 09:31

Imagine you're eleven and you jokingly call your best mate an idiot four times and school calls the police. The officer tasked to deal with it would probably die laughing.

Sorry but this 😂

Cityandmakeup · 10/09/2024 19:18

Citrusblast92u · 10/09/2024 07:45

DS is in year 11. They had a whole school assembly yesterday's entitled 'banning bants', this includes banter between friends. One strike and they're in detention, 2 and they have to attend a workshop, 3 and parents have to attend the workshop, 4 and the police are called.

I asked him what they meant by bants and he said anything that anyone might find offensive. His mates have spent many hours at our house. They're a lovely bunch of lads, very polite and kind but their main form of communication with each other is piss taking.

Just after some opinions really rather than an AIBU.

Yabu-banter should be banned
Yanbu-they can't ban banter

Yes. Ban it. As a teacher the crap kids come out with as banter is often bullying. Maybe see it from the other side. Quiet kid gets comments under ‘banter’. Just insults.

Cityandmakeup · 10/09/2024 19:19

Wow. I actually can’t believe you just said this. Disgusting. So you think laughing at someone is ok? I am deeply worried.

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:20

No all children should be able to play anywhere. If you don’t understand what is offensive you can enjoy detention and learn.

Pinkyponki · 10/09/2024 19:29

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tillytown · 10/09/2024 19:31

This is a good thing. A lot of boys got away with sexual harassment at my old school by claiming it was just a joke or banter and that the girls couldn't take a joke. All schools should ban it.

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:32

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Well actually in the anything goes camp it’s normally the banterers/bullies which grow whilst others suffer. Hence schools having policies and sanctions to protect all.

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:33

tillytown · 10/09/2024 19:31

This is a good thing. A lot of boys got away with sexual harassment at my old school by claiming it was just a joke or banter and that the girls couldn't take a joke. All schools should ban it.

Exactly this- disparaging comments re being gay and looking autistic aplenty too. Not ok.

StripeyDeckchair · 10/09/2024 19:33

In the majority of cases the word banter can be replaced by the word bullying.

Banter is used excuse and normalise behaviour that is sexist, racist, homophobic or otherwise offensive.

Pinkyponki · 10/09/2024 19:35

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Combattingthemoaners · 10/09/2024 19:37

“Banter” is often used to mask offensive and derogatory comments. In my school, it is often boys aiming “banter” at girls. They have clearly had an issue with this in previous years and are addressing it. Joking around is obviously fine but not when it is at the expense of others.

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 19:38

Gosh, what a totally joyless & boring world for teens(or anyone) without banter. I love it. But I’m not easily upset.

The offended win again.

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:40

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 19:38

Gosh, what a totally joyless & boring world for teens(or anyone) without banter. I love it. But I’m not easily upset.

The offended win again.

My son didn’t love the homophobic, mocking autism banter he endured. 😬

Conkersinautumn · 10/09/2024 19:43

Imagine a school creating a rule to make students think about the language they are using and take responsibility for what comes out of their mouths.

Combattingthemoaners · 10/09/2024 19:43

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 19:38

Gosh, what a totally joyless & boring world for teens(or anyone) without banter. I love it. But I’m not easily upset.

The offended win again.

If you work in a school you’ll see the kind of comments that are “banter”. I imagine most people don’t want to be called fat or a puff or poor or ugly.

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 19:45

Bubb13Wrap · 10/09/2024 19:40

My son didn’t love the homophobic, mocking autism banter he endured. 😬

Obviously that’s not on. However, there’s always going to be an exception to everything. Why have a blanket ban because of the minority.

I hear groups of friends (boys & girls) walking from the high school taking the piss out of each other & laughing. It’s lovely seeing them & there’s never been anything that could be classed as offensive.

Combattingthemoaners · 10/09/2024 19:47

AmyFarrahFowler1 · 10/09/2024 10:08

I think it’s not really ok to police this stuff. You can’t just stop people talking about things or direct what is appropriate discussion or not (within reason). If a child has an issue with things that are being said then of course that should be dealt with on a case by case basis but you can’t just have an arbitrary blanket ban on “banter”

Surely it is a schools job to keep all students in that school safe and happy? This requires some element of policing. They are clearly not saying don’t ever joke or laugh. The message is don’t use derogatory or offensive language and try label it as “just banter” as we will not tolerate it. That sounds like an excellent message for everyone, not just kids!

StarDolphins · 10/09/2024 19:47

Combattingthemoaners · 10/09/2024 19:43

If you work in a school you’ll see the kind of comments that are “banter”. I imagine most people don’t want to be called fat or a puff or poor or ugly.

Is that the only banter you’ve heard? I expect not. Discipline those people.