Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

That's cause there are no consequences are there?

Horrid little fuckers. That poor man. I'm only 40 and like to think I could handle myself but even being fairly fit and strong I would probably struggle against 5 youngsters! Sadly it's a pack mentality, I doubt very much that any of these children would have done this on their own.

I have a 14 yr old and I've had to remove him from school due to bullying. We live in a very low crime rate area but even here some of the preteens and teens are absolutely vile, carrying knives, assaulting young girls etc. When I say low crime rate I mean my small town was once considered one of the safest areas to live within the UK and even here I shudder at some of the things I hear has happened locally. I'd move, but where to? everywhere seems the same.

There is some truth to this, not completely across the board but more often than not children from a wide range of ME or Indian subcontinent heritages, or asylum seeking children are very keen to do well, have aspirations.

Its not a white UK cultural norm to want to do well in school, work hard, push yourself, respect authority.

Doesn't matter what you do if they still go back to their homes at the end of the day

Why were you shocked it happened in Leicester? Is there an area of the country where it wouldn't be shocking that a bunch of pre-teens killed someone?

I wonder if this will prompt a reassessment of the age of criminal responsibility in the UK, although I see it's already ten years old (except for Scotland) and is apparently one of the lowest in Europe.

Why would it prompt a reassessment?

And their parents!

Comments like this are really unhelpful. What does it matter?

Unfortunately you are probably right 😞

Sorry but this is absolute shite. My cousin in Milton Keynes was set upon many, many, many times by groups of Asian kids/teens. If you mean Chinese/Japenese etc then be more specific because yes, I don't hear of Chinese/Japenese teens ever doing things like this but Asians in general? Absolutely not. Let's not turn this into yet another race debate though, we have no idea of the ethnicity of those involved so it's best not to speculate.

Absolute rubbish. I live in a predominantly Asian area, where the young teen Asians are committing lots of crime and behaving badly. The elders in the community try to control them, when issues have been brought to their attention, but whilst the Imans and elders in the community used to be able to sort issues out and calm things down, they can no longer command the respect that they used to. Please don’t make this a white kid vs Asian kid situation. They’re as bad as each other.

You missed out the lack of respect, the lack of discipline.
Lack of a strong male role model.
Remember the saying wait until your dad comes home.
Some haven't got a dad that's even around, let alone coming home.

I wasn't suggesting we do. It was a response to another comment.

Four generations of shit parenting due to the breakdown in social fabric.
The 70's begat the 90's begat the 2010's and here we are.

I think it does say something about the current emboldening of racists in the face of openly racist politicians and the misinformation and meddling by Russian bots. It’s awful whatever but I suspect without the racism currently so openly displayed by many adults it probably wouldn’t have happened.

That poor man.
I have no idea what is going on with kids these days, lack of discipline? Lack of parental guidance? I have no idea.
I'm sickened by another story today of how a pregnant woman has been attacked by teens, causing her to miscarry her baby.

I'm heartbroken for this poor man and his family.

Not surprised about the children, to be honest. This Summer my local, lovely park was a no-go for many families due to knife/machete incidents involving children in this age group, all going round on bikes wearing balaclavas terrorising people. They are largely middle class kids.

This is the result of a lot of things. We can go on about cuts and austerity etc, but the reality is much closer to home.

These children have grown up in a world where many of them are addicted to screens, and raised by parents who are addicted to screens. Ten years ago I can remember looking around Costa and seeing loads of parents feeding a baby with a bottle in one hand and a smartphone in the other. Or kids in restaurants, tablets in hand. Disengaged, hands off parenting where it matters. Pretty much unlimited access now to TikTok and the horrific content that it's all too easy to come across. Smartphones and tablets have created little addicts, chasing the next dopamine high and desensitised to violence and sexual assault.

Parents afraid to say no. Who want their children to be their friends at any cost.
Whose list of "there's no harm in it. All the kids are doing it." gets longer and longer. Parents who smile on indulgently while their child is being antisocial or misbehaving in public.

Parents who, instead of supporting school staff and school rules, refuse to allow their children to be disciplined. "I do not consent to my child going to detention after school". Who come into school ready to fight with staff because they refuse to accept their child's behaviour is unacceptable. Parents who say, "what do you expect me to do about their behaviour? If you can't control them, what do you expect me to do?" to school staff. Failing to understand it's THEIR job to bring up a human to be fully functional member of society and that they should have started instilling routine, manners and discipline long before they started school.

Children who think they can dictate everything...who've been given over to since babyhood who then grow up into teenagers and think they are above their parents, teachers, the law. They aren't scared of anything and they haven't been raised to think about their values, or character. Just their image, their material possessions and their "likes".

For me there is a big difference between gentle parenting and feckless parenting. It's wild not to blame shit parenting in the vast majority of these types of cases. If it's not the actual parents then it's their parents - a mass bloody cycle of depravity and neglect. It's a mess.

Exactly. It really frustrates me. So many on Mumsnet see boys as violent and poorly behaved. They seem to see girls as little angels who can only ever be victims. Not my experience at all. I was bullied at school by girls. They made my life hell. Boys never troubled me at all. Three times as a teenager I was violently attacked in the street by random strangers - all three were girls. Men were the ones who came to my defence. I ended up being scared to go out. I broke up a fight recently with a teenage boy lying on the ground and two girls kicking him with such force in the head and kidney area. He could have been killed!!
I have absolutely no time for the notion that girls can't be vicious, violent thugs.

This kind of thing makes me think that adults, any responsible adult, should be able to put the fear of God into kids when needed, without fear or threat of prosecution, just like years ago.
This being easy and soft with kids and thinking of their feelings and rights and "what if it causes trauma" is just turning more kids into wild animals who think they can get away with anything.
Of course there should still be processes and safeguarding in place for real kids in danger, but nah, the whole soft attitude with kids has gone too far IMO. I know of people who are too scared to even raise their voice when needed in case the kids go and tell the school and they get into trouble and too many parents now who were also raised with that smug entitlement. I mean look at how little power teachers have now to instill discipline.

Too many smug little shits are being allowed to roam about.

I've explained repeatedly that I was responding to a previous comment. It's not my fault if people dive in to criticise without bothering to read the context in which my question was asked.

Its been explained enough times, and IF the suspects are charged and tried, and IF racial aggravation is a factor then it changes the possible sentencing tariff and options.

So it matters and its possibly part of the motivation.

Girls CAN be vicious, violent thugs but most of the time they are not. That doesn't mean they're angels and most are capable of vicious psychological warfare, as most women well know. BUT the overwhelming majority of violent crime is commited by men and boys. This is a fact. If violence amongst girls is increasing, we should be looking at the causes of this because it will represent a clear deviation from normal trends. Violent, murdering women make the news because they are aberrations - most murders are committed by men and most don't even make the news. See the 2 women killed every week by men.

These loser kids are their loser parents can't get away with this, with light sentencing. Life sentences for them until they are at least 80 years old.

I completely agree with you but unfortunately I doubt that will happen.
We are so fucking soft. We are a paradise for the feral who can terrorise society, and a hell for decent law abiding people.

That poor, poor man and his family. I won't say what I actually wish would happen to the little shits but I can almost guarantee they will offer nothing but negatives to society their entire scummy lives, unlike their poor victim.

I genuinely believe that if someone under the age of 16 commits a crime then both their parents should be charged with that crime, too. And, yes, that means absentee parents as well. If your child is committing crimes then you are responsible.