Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

Well we have 1.2 million DLA awards, and over 6.4 million people claiming UC, 62% of whom do not work at all. For reference that’s more than twice the population of Wales. 48% of UC claimants are families.

53% of people claiming UC claim other benefits as well, so more than half, and 80% of people claiming DLA claim other benefits as well. Only 1 in 5 claim it as a standalone benefit.

So a bit of maths would calculate if there are 1.2 million DLA awards, and 4/5 of them are claiming other benefits, it’s likely there are nearly a million families claiming both DLA and UC like the thread above 🤷‍♀️

This all comes back to education and parenting - why have kids out of wedlock? Why have kids unless you have savings? If a relationship does not work out why have more than one if you're struggling with the one as it is?
Only basic necessities should be met - vouchers not money.
As soon as kid is in reception, get a job, government should intervene here - make all local supermarkets hire local people - mums work the day shift, the dad the night shift.

It means naff all because you've got no idea of individual circumstances.

I'm the troll.😆

You’ve changed your tune because your last post was disparaging somebody’s circumstances and saying statistics would be better, and now you have them (and tbh they’re a shocker) you’re saying individual circumstances are what matter 🙃

No, you said most people on benefits were on thousands a year and gave a single example of a poster on the internet who was on a few thousand a month.

Now to prove your point you've got some statistics which give no conclusive information.

For example, how many of the people who don't work on UC are single and living by themselves? 52% of claimants aren't in families, which I'm assuming means single but does that mean they have children?

Other benefits include council tax, housing benefit and child benefit.

Only a million claim DLA, so they won't be subject to the benefit cap. Meaning that 5m are, so won't be claiming untold riches.

With the claimants who are working, what's the average wage including partner's wage?

you said most people on benefits were on thousands a year

Where?

She stated one poster - thread still active - whose yearly income came to £65k - from the horse's own mouth - the benefit claimant was worried it was wrong.

You won’t live comfortably if you’re a single person on UC, but you will if you have a few kids, claim DLA for a couple of them. Somebody posted a couple of days back querying her UC amount of - wait for it - £2,500 per month plus DLA plus her partner’s full time salary. The benefits worked out at roughly £35,000 per year and with her partner’s salary on top, something like £65,000.

So yes, some people will be totally broke, but very many people are not.

What point were you making here?

She didn't make that up - There's a thread from this week from the benefit claimant herself - get in touch with her - she'll tell you all about it.

….so to prove I’ve said something you’ve quoted me very much not saying it?

You've misunderstood me. What point were you making in the post I quoted?

I think it's the £65k ish, this benefit champion is on about - she can search for it and have a look herself.

You can't reason with people like overbearingndn - they want benefits - they have to tell themselves they deserve them - entitlement. Although, the way this government is going it'll be a thing of the past soon enough.

I literally say in the post the point I am making.

I obviously am trying to clarify the point you were making. The way I understand it, is this particular person is an example of the typical person on benefits, ergo people on benefits are on thousands.

If that's incorrect and I've misunderstood, what point were you making?

This is getting tiresome, the point I was making was literally what I said when I wrote it. I thought something and I wrote it down. There’s no hidden meaning.

I'll just assume it's exactly how I understand it. That you gave that example to demonstrate how benefit claimants are on thousands. The data you supplied, although opaque, doesn't back up what you said, so you don't want to reiterate it.

Well if somebody is getting 400 a month technically that is ‘thousands’ per year. You seem to have got very lost in your line of attack and are now flailing to find something to distract from the numbers (the ones you asked for).

I explained why the stats aren't informative. You didn't respond. I showed you where you said that the typical benefit claimant was on thousands a month, not a year. It's evidently not true.

Most of it goes back to council/landlord for rent.. definitely not much left over.
Back to feral children,teens
Kids killing kids is a sad state of affairs,god knows how/why this become so prevelant.

Why should I have to do research to back up someone else's claims? What a strange notion.

It does cost more to parent a nd child. For example I had a thread on here recently asking about how much was fair to give my mum to cover food etc for having my 14 year old when I was at work in the holidays, he’s nd so can’t be left alone all day but doesn’t take a lot of looking sfter now. The overwhelming consensus from most was that I was taking the piss and I should be paying her at least minimum wage for time he was round there, how many parents of nt have to pay any. Let alone £70 a day for childcare for a 14 year old. There’s a holiday scheme near us for more severely disabled children and that costs £150 a day! There is no childcare available for nt children once they get to secondary as they don’t need it, before then there’s holiday schemes for nt primary age children doing sports etc that cost around £30 a day, having a nd child and finding childcare is a whole different level that doesn’t stop.

in a case where someone isn’t parenting a child anyway at all then there is no additional cost but if you are properly parenting them and working it costs a fortune.

You don’t get hundreds of pound a month for not going to work. Dla/pip isn’t means tested it’s based on the needs of the child/adult so you still get it anyway even if you work, it’s to cover the additional costs of the disability which in certain cases enables people to work when they would otherwise not be able to.

But you can have all those things in place before having a child, you don’t know you are going to have a disabled child, I’ve been able to carry on working as my job could and can be quite flexible to an extent. When my autistic ds was first in primary school before he had an ehcp and moved to specialist the school were forever excluding him or ringing me up to collect him as they couldn’t manage him as he’d have meltdowns as he couldn’t cope with noise and other factors in the school. We were still turned down for ehcp assessment, it took me several years to get him to specialist as that’s the way the system works now snd I had to go to tribunal and prepare my own case. My work was fairly flexible but if it had been a typical job I wouldn’t have to able to carry on working. I know other people who would have loved to carry on working but have been forced to give up.