Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

No I just didn’t pick apart the post and said I agreed with the overtone.

I would hardly call wanting drug addicts not to have more children ‘demonising the poor’

Btw I earn under 30k!

What in your opinion is behind the rise in challenging and nasty behaviour?

There you go.

Oh dear. Can you really not differentiate between someone like Baby P's Mum and innocent people living a blameless life?

Such a nonsense argument isn’t it

Problem with that is that social services do get it wrong at times, and sterilisation is not 100% reversible. How do you morally get around that one?

I think the unsupervised use of mobile phones at home with children accessing violent and sexual content contributes. We do not allow phones at school but they all use them at home. Children seem to think they can speak and behave in any way they please. Parents and carers are reluctant to enforce sanctions and won't stop access to phones..we've also seen a difference since the covid pandemic. There are some absolutely lovely children with us and I feel sorry that they have to put up with it when we just want them all to be safe and try to offer them a different path as they've been excluded from every other setting.

Agree. But also concerning that people can go through education and never learn any critical thinking skills.

Indeed.

Parents are the people to bring children up, toilet train, train them to tie shoelaces. NOT teachers.

If parents struggle to bring children up, they should not be having them.

Also you never hear people on benefits struggle to conceive. Why?

@Auburngal they probably had most of their kids by age 25.

In what way?

You think someone not being charged means they had nothing to do with it

How many clients (children and adults) have I heard it that 'i was never charged' 'they've got nothing on me' but there are a list of involvements and intelligence about patterns of behaviour as long as your arm.

Police tend to NFA most things that children do, even assaults. I work with this day in and day out.

I think its convenient and lazy to accuse people of being judgemental of others because of poverty or how they grew up

I judge others because of what they do, what they say and how they behave and contribute to society.

They might also be poor and be badly behaved. I judge them badly. They might also have had a terrible upbringing and be badly behaved. I judge them badly.

We should judge people negatively if they arent good people, arent good to society, cause others to be hurt, harmed, distressed.

Its not bigotry.

Just lock them up and be done with it. Why should innocent people be forced to suffer?

I wouldn’t. I’d go ahead anyway.

Exactly. My father grew up poor, living in a council house with no indoor loo. So did many of his life long friends. But they were never judged and found wanting because of their background. You know why? Because they never showed shitty, anti social behaviour.

I don't think it's bigoted to judge people for negative behaviour irrespective of their background. I think it's bigoted to judge people because of their background. Generalisations have never belied a keen intellect.

My DF was the same. He only had school uniform, a pair of trousers, 2 t-shirts, a set of PJs, a pair of shorts. He went to family weddings wearing his school uniform - though a different tie which he borrowed from an uncle or other male relative.

He studied well and got high grades.

That is not why people are being judged negatively, this is what Im saying

People are judged negatively because they are anti social, criminal horrors.

You haven't been reading the thread. People have been judged for being poor, being on benefits and having children. Apparently only poor people commit crime.

Very similar to mine. But he passed the 11+ (this was back in the 1950s) and ended up as a serving officer in the armed forces.

Buckingham Palace.

Ive read the whole thread.

You're mistaking the links.

It is more likely that people who commit anti social behaviour and this sort of crime tend to come from the demographic where there is entrenched unemployment, overcrowding, poor money management, poor school attendance, high levels of drug use, poor MH, other comorbid diagnoses, lack of respect for authority and poor aspirational outlooks.

More likely. Not only. That is statistically true. Of course there are people who commit crime who are not within that cohort. However the crime that blights people's every day life is usually committed by the mugger, the rapist, the person the street corner rather than the white collar criminal sat in front a computer committing fraud. People are fed up of being worried about walking down the street.

People who live their lives who are poor, overcrowded, are unemployed, have poor school attendance, may have poor MH or drug use but who DONT commit anti social behaviour or crime or bother their neighbours are not the ones who are being judged harshly. It is not to say that people within that cohort are going to commit crime or anti social behaviour

And having ND children.