Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

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Add together the people claiming they are living on their own but having their latest boyfriend living them with (as opposed to their Mum's!) and also the black economy where they work cash in hand and this is why these people are seemingly able to afford AI holidays in say Turkey. I fly quite a bit and honestly flights are heaving. Where are people getting their money from? No its not a first holiday in 10 years type sceario - its every single sodding year.

Labour will not do anything to resolve this. Rayner is too busy trying to get people to have 4 days weeks, sick pay from day one and to scrap zero hours contracts something that not everyone wants to see go.

Things people want have been reframed as ‘needs’, to increase the pressure to give in to them.

In a way the Tories fostered this environment as (and YES before anyone starts they were SHIT) they gave everyone an excuse to buck personal responsibility ‘because don’t blame me, blame the broken system that doesn’t meet my needs..’

Ultimately nobody is entitled to anything bar a roof over their heads, enough money to eat, and health care. The rest is up to you - we can’t afford for the taxpayer to fund everyone having a lifestyle, only a life.

I see posts demanding that benefits are enough to have a lovely home, holidays, 2 cars, top quality food, treats… I mean what would actually be the incentive to work? Seriously? They go ‘oh because it gives you more stability in retirement..’ which is a pisstake because:
a) who wants to waste 80% of their life working for the final (and most restricting) 20%
b) they call for everything to be free for poorer pensioners anyway so again; whats the point?

That's the poor for you.

Ultimately nobody is entitled to anything bar a roof over their heads, enough money to eat, and health care. The rest is up to you - we can’t afford for the taxpayer to fund everyone having a lifestyle, only a life
@Blueybanditbingochilli I agree with this. BUT, what does it mean? What kind of roof over your head are we entitled to, a small unpleasant flat in a rough area? Enough money to eat if you buy only cheap food and cook it all from scratch? Healthcare even though you don't look after your own health and cost the NHS much more money than you ought to?
It's all very elastic and open to interpretation!

Add together the people claiming they are living on their own but having their latest boyfriend living them with (as opposed to their Mum's!) and also the black economy where they work cash in hand
@MichaelandKirk
Yes it is wrong to do these things. But who can blame them? The people at the top who make the rules make them in their favor and are able to work everything to their advantage so that they are extremely wealthy and privileged. Is there any wonder that the people at the bottom use every trick they can find to make life better for themselves.
Once again I'm not saying it's right but when the people at the top are corrupt, are exploiting the rest of us then who can blame us 🤷🏻‍♀️
Blag all you can or be a mug and doff your cap?

DD's partner is a skilled carpenter, having just completed his 5 year apprenticeship. He has a big social conscience so volunteered at a local project to help teenagers learn a trade. It was an absolute joke. Half the time the teens didn't bother to even turn, and when they did they were late, or belligerent, or always on their phones, or sneaking off for a vape. If challenged they were abusive or just totally uninterested. They honestly couldn't have cared less.

Yes it is wrong to do these things. But who can blame them? The people at the top who make the rules make them in their favor and are able to work everything to their advantage so that they are extremely wealthy and privileged. Is there any wonder that the people at the bottom use every trick they can find to make life better for themselves.

This is exactly what I was referencing in my last post.

Black - yes you will be' entiled' to a small unpleasant flat in a rough area. More fool you if you then 'find yourself pregnant' from someone who leaves you on your own. These decisions are yours to make and we all make stupid/foolish decisions and hopefully learn from them but there is an underclass of people who just continue to make this daft decisions. We wring our hands and wonder why - its because there are no real consequences to what they choose to do.

Those scumbag 15 year olds who broke into our house and trashed it and whose parent claimed they were with her is a case in point. They hit the dog a number of times - they were truly the dregs of society. . In the end they werent charged because the police wanted to charge them with a larger amount of crimes and there just wanst the evidence. Police told me that they would get a smack on the hands if they were just charged with our break in and they were going to keep an eye on them now...yeah right...

And yes I do blame them. If I defrauded my employer I would be sacked. Many people don’t earn much more than those on benefits, if more at all. Why should they be a special case?

Well healthcare is easy, we all get the same from that, there’s no 2 tier system.

Roof over your head - max of a 3 bed house. Usually 2.

Enough money to buy basic food. That’s what the rest of us do.

Nobody on benefits should have a better lifestyle or more disposable cash than those who work FT NMW.

Where are these posts that you've seen demanding that benefits finance the luxuries you mention?

The maximum benefits for those who refuse to work should be dramatically be reduced.

They should not be able to own the latest Samsung smartphone or afford Sky/VM.

You are talking from a position of total ignorance and painting everyone with the same brush, some would fall into your category but tbh i have never witnessed a "feral" person tear up £50 notes in front of a homeless man or stick his cock in a dead pigs mouth or allow dangerous cladding to fitted to a tower block in which 72 die.

These people may not live off benefits but they are also very horrible individuals.

I came from what you would describe as an underclass family, single parent, DB always in trouble with the Police/School/anyone lived off social security.

Up shot was this "underclass family" produced a Telecoms engineer, a teacher and an civil engineer, Mum re trained with help from a charity to become a nurse SEN.

So the luxuries question. A few months I commented on the fact that when I got my nails done mid week (I only work part time now having retired from a previous role) two young women plus a child about nine walked in asking for their nails to be done too. It was a school day - the two women were talking about about what to do at the weekend. One needed to wait until her giro came through. Few bevvies apparently were the objective along with a man who they might persuade to buy them drinks for a promise later!

I was slaughtered and told maybe it was a special treat for them, maybe the child wasnt feeling well in the morning and for a treat she was allowed to go with them. I was severely told off for judging them. Well - surprise surprise that is why people are getting away with entiled and often scummy behaviour. Because we make excuse after excuse about what we see and jump on anyone who says any thing different. Why should people on benefits have child after child with the father nowhere to be seen, not have a holiday because they need a break (i.e the Mum who went to Ibzia when her son was in court). In fact for some benefits do outweigh what they would get on some NMW job so why bother?

Why indeed??

I never said only horrible people live off benefits. You’ve replied to a fantasy post.

Will post some threads, give me a couple of hours as I’m busy but I will come back

Giro? That's a blast from the past.

So because you had this experience, you're extrapolating that every single person on benefits is exactly the same.

That's nice dear.

And you're describing posts you haven't yet substantiated.

Where are all these people who "refuse" to work without being subject to sanction?

In the Maldives dripping in gold.

Yes the long term unemployed number is falling.

Its all very well people being critical of some behaviors but what is the alternative?
Mass sterilisation? the Work House? take away benefits and get their children out begging?

All have been tried before, so what should we do?

Why did they come in the first place? Were they paid too?

@Flibflobflibflob Couldn't agree more. A few years ago I moved out of my city. It became increasingly horrible to live in - anti social neighbours smoking weed, playing loud music at all hours, screaming at each other in the street. This wasn't even the worst neighbourhood.
Then there were all the problems with drug users in the centre, couldn't even go shopping without witnessing some sort of incident.
Kids burned down a community centre and a school, some of the were really young, like 12 or 13. On Halloween/bonfire night in some areas it's like a war zone.
I couldn't see myself raising my child there. I now live rurally and commute into the city only when necessary.
Feral people rule the roost now and there are no real consequences so why would they change.

That's your story and that's great. But you are the exception rather than the rule.

And if you read my post more carefully, I actually say most of these people. I certainly don't say all of these people.