Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

Why is it that almost every other child has a condition that means they don’t react well to discipline or being told no?

Well, that’s the million dollar question isn’t it? We have reached a point on here where I can open a thread about anything - the weather, is this a good car, can my boss force me to do overtime, is this a good shower gel - and 9 times out of 10, autism and ADHD are mentioned, usually both.

Equally I’m always genuinely surprised when a poster has 2+ children and no mention of autism or ADHD. It’s not an exaggeration to say every other child mentioned on here is apparently neurodiverse.

At DD’s school, 1 in 5 of her class are either diagnosed or on the diagnostic pathway (and that’s just the ones I know about, I don’t even speak to all the parents maybe half).

I think this will end very badly in around 15 years when half of school leaves are too ill equipped to join society or the workplace, having been told they have special needs and for years having had ‘accommodations’ made for them that mean they never learned to follow rules or to how to assimilate in with their peers. It’ll be an absolute mess and like with transgender we will all wonder how on earth we let it get to this point and why so little scrutiny.

I see. Respect for other people is 'Disney'. I'm not on the side of violent people, no. However not everyone who grew up in a deprived area is a violent crack head. Cartoon like stereotypes are also Disney.

Yeah I also don’t buy the poverty causing feralness line, many people have fuck all and live decently and their kids are well behaved. Some people are poor because they are dysfunctional rather than dysfunctional because they are poor, give them a million, they’ll burn through it and still be dysfunctional.

Tbh I no longer care much, just remove them from the area so they don’t bother other people. we increasingly bend to minority groups who can’t behave in a civilised way and are expected to empathise with them. We should be saying “you want to be included in decent society? Then think about the help that is being offered and take it”.

Nonsense like the idea of restorative justice in schools is just fucking mad. The idea of sticking a victim in a room with a bully and telling them how their behaviour made them feel is insane, it gives the bully more power. Can’t remove kids because they deserve an education yet they are terrorising and impairing other peoples education. As a society we are increasingly getting shit at actually identifying actual victims and actual perpetrators.

Some people don’t want jobs, they don’t actually think there’s anything wrong with the way they live or how they raise their kids. There are not working class, these are underclass.

I too was a front facing public servant and left for, I suspect the same reasons as you did.

There were plenty of children in my class at school who would fidget, not be able to concentrate, sometimes be disruptive- but these conditions weren’t recognised at this stage, and the parents of those children would take responsibility and accept whatever punishment came with that behaviour.

Did any of them need a PIP payment because their child had a behavioural disorder? No. They are a parent and the cost of parenting a child with or without a behavioural disorder is the same.

Nowadays we are just paying for parents to dissolve themselves of any responsibility.

And for that, they can’t even ensure their children don’t cause issues to other people

I think alot of the violence and cruelty that some DC are displaying is because of either this child centric world we live in or for attention. There seems to be a culture of victimising the vulnerable, othering (that had been encouraged by our previous government), blaming and I do think some DC and adults enjoy it. Where were the parents?

In our city several years ago we had DC dressing up as killer clowns with machetes and attacking people and cars.

Because they believe they can do what they like.

I was raised to respect everyone particularly my elders and my DC are the same. All that had to do was leave him alone.

No, wasting precious resources we don’t have where there is zero chance of success is Disney. Do you live on a social housing estate? Do you work in this area? What’s your lifestyle like if you don’t mind me asking?

There have always been murderers who are children. It’s not new and it happens far less than in the past.
The only difference now is that it’s regurgitated constantly via 24hr news and social media, which makes it seem like it’s far more prevalant.
I’m more surprised that it happens as infrequently as it does, anyone sho has worked with kids knows how feral they can be, even the ‘naice’ ones at expensive schools.

There was a woman running an organisation that paid drug addicts to get sterilised. I think it got shut down. She was actually the adoptive parent of quite a few kids who had been damaged by their biological others drug use in pregnancy. She was trying to prevent other children being born that would face the same difficulties and not get the support her children were getting.

I actually thought it was very reasonable. We have an extraordinary number of kids in care, why add to the sum total of human misery.

Oh wait she’s still going

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Prevention#:~:text=Project%20Prevention%20(formerly%20Children%20Requiring,term%20birth%20control%2C%20including%20sterilization.

You're agreeing with someone who wants to sterilise people in deprived areas. You don't believe human rights are for everyone but a select few. You've decided that poor people are a waste of resources and it's Disney to show them any humanity or respect.

I don't give out personal information on the internet.

Unfortunately, thats no solution, look at the abuse and lives children in care often lead?

IMHO there needs to be a massive expansion of early years intervention, before pregnancy, during and after, educational programs for kids that fail at school also need to continue into adult life.

The direction of travel is the exact opposite.

No amount of interventions etc will completely remove issues but it will reduce them.

We also need to move away from the rights of the so called child and return them to those of the victim, it needs rebalancing.

Well it’s a fact (not my opinion) that the enormous and unsustainable rise in DLA and PIP payments have been fuelled by ADHD and autism diagnoses. 🤷‍♀️ draw your own conclusions.

Yes and we could perhaps all hold hands and sing together too. I'm sure that would help enormously.

Interesting to find out how many of these kids ACTUALLY have these conditions and NOT ‘claim’ to by their parents.

If parents are caught by this - that is fraud.

Something needs to be done to stop this and only can get registered doctors etc to diagnose NDs

Bad behaviour and NDs are different things!

I think only qualified people can diagnose them and you’d need evidence of that for the benefits process. I think the issue is they rely on self reporting - there’s no test for ADHD like there is for diabetes, so as long as you’re aware of the answers they need to give the diagnosis and are persistent enough, I don’t see why you wouldn’t get it. And people DO swap answers and get tips on how to make sure they get the diagnosis - usually ‘I’m worried I’ll have a good day and won’t be taken seriously..’ but you can see what they’re getting at. If people don’t believe me then I can point you to web groups where this is discussed all the time.

No, you won’t life comfortably on benefits as a single bloke/woman. You will if in addition to UC you have 2 children on DLA, carers and the uplift this entails. And more than half the families I know that claim DLA claim it for 2+ kids.

Society needs to accept that most of this underclass have absolutely no interest in having hope, or bettering their communities or improving their lot. They couldn't give a shit. And society has allowed them to take hold and flourish by funding their crap lifestyle choices.

Living off benefits isn't going to provide them with a naive lifestyle, but it's likely as good as any lifestyle they could provide for themselves, if they actually had a job.

You could provide one on one tuition for these people and they would still never pass a single exam or apprenticeship. They're incapable of it.

I worked somewhere once and it was near a 💩 hole area.
Some do gooders wanted us to take on the locals of varying ages when job vacancies came up.
Useless, pathetic people.
Late for work, never did anything, when they did couldn't follow simple instructions, sick days.
Waste of time.

Yes sadly I concur.

It’s very hard to describe to people who don’t have direct and regular contact with such people. They believe everyone is capable of changing, everyone is capable of living a good or productive life. It simply isn’t true.

Yes absolutely - you could give them every opportunity under the sun and they just wouldn’t cope with work, or routine, or commitments. They want to live in chaos, doing what they like when they like, and make excuses about why they can’t stick to anything, usually due to their ‘mental health’ which is often poor through addling it themselves with weed/alcohol/other drugs

This is why they need to be put into container city!

In the 90's my Dad hired a guy to build a garage.
The guy was a good builder, a solid garage that still stands strong today, passed retrospective building regs.
However, the guy was an alcoholic and drug addict.
He never turned up.
My dad would go and look for him in pubs in the roughest parts of the city.
His wife used to spend Friday all day, afternoon and evenings with us as that was pay day and she couldn't let him have the money.
She was a nice lady.
Must've been so boring for her to spend her Friday's with a family she had nothing in common with just because she couldn't risk her husband getting his hands on the money.

He could only work with constant supervision!

I've said to my Dad since - that was not worth it!
As kids we though the situation was funny, like a sit comfortably, lovable rogue Eddie.
Now, I think what a desperate, painful existence.
He's probably dead.
They sink and take their families with them.

I agree that something urgently needs to be addressed regarding the huge increase in ADHD/ND diagnosis. Its out of control know and I agree with Bluey - they are taught they can do what they like by their layabout parent and their latest 'partner' who shows them that doing what they like pays. Money will be given to you, support etc and providing you use the right buzz words they will give you chance after chance. The people I want to help are the ones who have to put up with these underclass scumbags who are growing because they have been shown there are no real consequences to their behaviour.

No one dares touch them, the anti social behaviour by feckless parents who have no work to get to next day so has loud music day and night.

I guess he has never heard of the word respect for elders.
People have just forgotten how to be nice. Instead of smiling at the man , maybe talking to him about his dog or whatever or even just walking on by, we need to find out why a child wants to launch an attack on a man?

What is driving the nastiness?