Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

Not sure it's been mentioned but the dog, Rocky, is fine

This is so sad to read. It does make you wonder what it's like to grow up having no one that cares about you and no hope for your future.

Jesus. Is this what we have become? Maybe we need to install hope in our youth? Hope for a better future? And maybe invest in these areas so people have jobs / trade to go into? Instead we have outsourced so much industry to places like China we have created our own high levels of unemployment and all the social factors that are associated with that. With poverty comes a whole range of issues including abuse and neglect. But let's not be naive enough to think that this is isolated to certain areas. You only need to read posts on here to realise that parenting has changed over the last few decades and kids are not so use to firm discipline / hearing the word no / having strict rules, and that emotional / physical / sexual / financial abuse does not just affect 'the poor'. We need to install a proud sense of community in our local areas and work together on this.

It's really not.

You cannot say women have rights to giving birth to more children when courts etc taken their other children away as deemed unfit to look after them.

the area where it happened braunstone town is in the lowest funded la in the country from central government, although it is right on the border of Leicester city which is slightly better funded although making cuts. I’m not sure this makes much of a difference though to this type of thing. Blaby district which is the district that braunstone town is in has really low levels of unemployment so there are jobs

There are feral kids in each town.

In the cemetery where a friend was praying for her DF by his grave on what would have been his 80th birthday. She saw some kids removing flowers and other graveside stuff. Plus laughing and making random silly noises that teens make. She was afraid that speaking to them would have bad consequences. She waited until the teens left and not immediately JIC they were hiding nearby.

Anyone who does this to graves have something seriously wrong with their heads.

A 14 yr old boy has been charged with murder in the US after the school shooting in Georgia

The 14 yr old boy in this case is still being questioned by the police and hasn't been charged with anything yet

He had now been charged with murder.

I don't think the girls not being arrested means they're innocent little petals.

Maybe we need to install hope in our youth? Hope for a better future?

Unfortunately no amount of "instilling hope" will compete with that level of diabolical parenting. They'd need to be taken off the parents en masse.

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-14-charged-with-murder-of-80-year-old-grandfather-bhim-kohli-in-leicestershire-park-13209783

Apologies - yes he has now been charged - my usual source hadn't updated overnight

He was charged with murder yesterday

Didn’t the swans fight back they can get very aggressive?

"I went to school here.

The career path for most of the girls in my year was get pregnant and get your council house. Because they didn't know there was another option. They were the third generation of their family to do this. The same families are still there. MN will tell you this doesn't happen, it's a stereotype and derail threads with talk of goats and flat screen tvs but they live in middle class suburbia and have no idea of the conditions we grew up in. "

@KenAdams

This is absolutely correct

The stuff that happened to us and around us here Mumsnet would absolutely be horrified about

Off the top of my head. Drug dealers round the corner . Constant smell of weed. One of my kids had his converse trainers stolen off his actual feet, at primary school .

Another of my kids when she was in year 5, got kicked so hard by a boy she was traumatised for months and had a bruise on her leg so bad I wanted to go to the police. But I was scared of repercussions . She also had a lot of other bullying much of it physical and at 15 is still dealing with the psychological aftermath.

A 13 year old girl who my eldest knew from his class, gave birth to twins when she was only in year 8

Traveller kids coming in and threatening the estate kids , I never let mine go out

And of course the murder on my street which happened due to a drug deal gone wrong

Don't get me wrong. There was good people on the estate but the majority were workshy feckless Jeremy Kyle types.

We have lived out in a lovely village out of the city and in Leicestershire now and I feel extremely lucky

I still feel guilty I subjected my family to living there for all these years but at the time I had absolutely no choice x

For a couple of generations now, we, as a society, don't feel qualified to enforce basic rules that keep everyone safe. We blame "the government" but forget that we all have responsibilities as well as rights. Who shapes civil society? Us. All of us. It used to be a given that we stuck to a basic form of manners and consideration for others, and that there were unacceptable behaviours that society would not condone. Government backed this up with laws and policing designed to protect the law abiding and vulnerable.

Parents were expected to bring their children up respecting all that, reinforced by schools. Now they are watched like never before by officialdom and anyone who thinks they have an interest. Look at the recent cases of famous people quite spuriously attacked for the way they brought up their children. How do you do discipline and set boundaries if you are constantly looking over your shoulder in case someone thinks you're doing it wrong?

Because now the law seems intent on enforcing other priorities which make it even more difficult to know what's acceptable. Those who think they are doing the right thing are accused. For those who need protecting it feels toothless, policing is invisible and rules are bendable..

So no discernible rules and boundaries leads to chaos reinforced by most forms of media especially social media. Parents who try and instil "traditional" morality into their children, I think are heroic and should be praised to the skies. But our society as is, doesn't make it easy.

@lucette1001 yep. Everything goes these days. Well, everything except actually wanting a decent society with behavioural standards. Then you're "judgemental", which is the only wrong you can now commit. You're meant to fall over yourself to frame shit behaviour as "communication" from "victims", and anyone hard-working and law-abiding is punching down.

I work in an area where I see people like this on a daily basis and sadly I have come to the conclusion there is no hope for many of them. They don’t actually have the mental capacity to change - and trying to intervene and giving them chance after chance just to be ‘Disney’ is like throwing money into the sea.

It’s not all down to poverty - many are skint because they spend their (modest but still adequate) benefits on shit, vapes, cigarettes, takeaways, trainers, nails. They then plead poverty.

I don’t know why so many posters on here are so resistant to the above just because it’s uncomfortable. They’d rather we all sank together than give up on them and swim ourselves.

Agree. They are most certainly NOT ‘vulnerable’. No 6ft, crack addicted man is ‘vulnerable’. I’m sick of everyone being described as ‘vulnerable’ because they’re anything less than a straight white middle aged man in perfect health with millions in the bank. It’s a nonsense.

I don’t know why so many posters on here are so resistant to the above just because it’s uncomfortable. They’d rather we all sank together than give up on them and swim ourselves.

I can think of many reasons. Some try to treat everyone of being worthy and don't write them off because of bigotry. Being judgemental because of how someone grew up or because they're poor, is generally seen as a negative trait. It's a stereotype to describe people on benefits (many of which are working or disabled) as feckless. Punching down is never a good look.

I’m not writing them off because of bigotry. I’m writing them off because wasting money trying to rehabilitate somebody who doesn’t want help and is incapable of change is pointless. What you wrote is ‘Disney’ - it makes people feel better and like they’re a stand up person for ‘sticking up for the underdog’, but when the underdog is a violent crack addict who burgles houses, are you on the right side?

Punching down is never a good look.

If you're being tormented by terrifying neighbours and the police refuse to help, I doubt many people feel like they're punching down.

If your family is feral I think they should be moved

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-10/yes-amsterdam-really-did-banish-an-entire-family-to-a-shipping-container-scum-village

If you want to come back you have to engage with social services, police etc.