Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

True, they can’t have it both ways really!

Probably dragged their kids up and dont care.

Definitely there have always been the 'Ferals'- the London 'Rookeries' on the 19th Centuries had streets {Dorset street being an infamous one} where police never dared enter.

Goodness knows what the answers are- the Govt appears to have no answers.

''Tough on crime- tough on the causes of crime'' - just so much hot air.

Ideally every child should be wanted, one child, carefully raised and supervised, rather than several by different dads left to basically fend for themselves.

If the home situation is 'chaotic' - babies can be taken away at birth - but the woman just gets pregnant again.

{A friend adopted a child who had been severely neglected in England} ..but the deadbeat dad who did awful things had other children by different women who probably also ended up in care or being adopted.

Adoption can give stability, but the damage wrought by neglect in the first weeks/months/years can be irreversible.

Attachment Disorder is extremely common in adoptees.

I assume all that would involve a great deal of investment and thought.

Its a disgrace the way the posh boys ruined this country.

If any parent has children taken away from them for neglect, abused etc - they should be sterilised to prevent them being parents again and repeat the same treatment. They won't act differently.

Plus overall, it will save the country a serious amount of money in the long run.

I'm sorry but think that through.

I'm not a fan of minks breeding but enforced sterilisation is going too far.Thats dystopian nightmare territory.

It's not uncommon and is currently taking place in China.

Yes I thought that, doesn't make it right though.

But how do you stop women in their 20s, 30s and early 40s to have more children after having previous children taken away from them?

Do you not think it’s a symptom of the society we now live in?

No one’s child can he told no. You see numerous posts on here about someone’s child being told they can’t bring a book into school/were told off by the teacher and they are going to complain to the school etc. As a result these children are bought up to believe they have the right to challenge everything, no adult will ever be able to tell them no or what to do.

There’s a post on AIBU at the moment about abi teacher telling the posters 8 year old he can’t bring books into class. 20 years ago the parent would have said the teacher can dictate the rules and you abide by them. Now, the mother is going to complain to the school and escalate.

Fuck me, if you can’t accept your child being actually supervised, then pay for your own private education.

The problem with breeding a generation of people that can neither accept disappointment and everything can be explained away as ‘they have adhabcdefg’ so therefore it’s not my fault, is that they will react very badly when asked to do or not to do something by an adult.

Honestly I despair and i am very happy I don’t and will not have children.

Time this government started making parenting orders or actually asking parents to take responsibility rather than pay them thousands of pounds a month to ‘care’ for their child with SEN - isn’t that just being called a parent?!

Well there is an answer, it would violate human rights though.

And the irony is all these doomsday cries about western countries under populating and how more women need to have kids /more kids for the sake of capitalism and the economy.

No they bleeding don’t!

Less people need to be having kids if anything as many are just not fit to be parents.

We will need to figure out something about the economy but we can’t be encouraging people to have kids for that reason.

And let’s face it even if we did look it from a purely economic point of view a lot of the ones having multiple kids, aren’t raising them to be that productive economically speaking. There are multiple generations in families who have never worked and rely mostly or fully on benefits.

I lived in this area for ten years and thank god, as soon as I could , got my kids away from it

It's an absolute shithole full of scummy families, drugs, crime and feral kids, there was an actual murder on my street once

I can almost guarantee the little bastards who did this are off my old estate

Btw if all those kids were present and they’re only charging one it’s very interesting
and it does not mean they’re all innocent.

There’s a very contentious law in this country called joint enterprise which effectively means a group can be held responsible even if only one actively committed the crime.

www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/issue/new-figures-reveal-black-people-16-times-more-likely-to-be-prosecuted-under-racist-joint-enterprise-laws/#:~:text=“We%20knew%20that%20young%20Black,joint%20enterprise%20than%20white%20people.

There has been a lot of concern that the “joint enterprise” thing is disproportionately used against certain minorities and this case may yet prove to be an example of that.

The government won't say it out loud - but when they say we need to increase the population they don't mean these types of people, professional benefit claimants, criminals, socially and economically poorer people.
They mean the middle classes, the educated to have more kids.

What we have now is basically Idiocracy. Some people are having children without giving it a second thought, and some people are carefully considering if it’s the right thing to do and can they afford it.

That's why very minimum support should be given to people having more than 2 children that are part of the underbelly of society.
One is more than enough actually.

Being poor isn't an issue.
People should be given the chance to get out of poverty - they are, benefits and free schools.

Claiming benefits isn't a problem as long as it is short term.

The issue is living life with benefits as a crutch / lifestyle. Not parenting. Criminality.

Disabled people and people traumatised that need to be on benefits obviously don't come under this - these are the only people society as a whole should be supporting.

Everyone else needs to be penalised.

Well I was right. A 14yo boy has been charged. It’s always male violence isn’t it?

@Bellamari yep the comments about girls being just as violent aged like milk didn't they?

Perhaps they could pay this demographic to not have children. They'd save a lot of money and grief for the community and society in general in the long run.

People will say that's eugenics. But it really isn't. It's a good idea.

Find the worst place in England - not near the coast or countryside - land locked towns - build a wall around it - give them all the drugs, alcohol, fags they want - in return they get sterilised.

However, their human rights matter more than OP's cousin teachers rights, more than 80 year old murdered Bhim Sen Kohli's rights, more than hard working taxpayers rights.

The elite don't care as this doesn't affect them.
The government don't care as they are there to service the elite and the masses of the middle classes / working classes - which are merging now, basically people on this forums are here to service the underbelly of society.

I went to school here.

The career path for most of the girls in my year was get pregnant and get your council house. Because they didn't know there was another option. They were the third generation of their family to do this. The same families are still there. MN will tell you this doesn't happen, it's a stereotype and derail threads with talk of goats and flat screen tvs but they live in middle class suburbia and have no idea of the conditions we grew up in.

Braunstone Town is much nicer than Braunstone, it's a more settled community.

As for the Asian girls, they made my life hell. Because of what my family ate and how they dressed, I wasn't considered brown enough and was subject to the most horrific bullying. It was the Braunstone girls that took me under their wing and kept me safe. They're not all bad and don't all produce feral kids, they just have a different way of life to what you know.

As for the Asian boys, my friend taught in the school closest to the area recently. She lasted a week. They intimidated her, walking into her classroom, throwing everything around, squaring up to her, following her, it was awful.

There were some kids however that were in and out of the YOI for years, like their dad's. We'd avoid where they hung out. Their parents didn't care where they were. They were hardly in school, the teachers preferred it that way, as did we. They were the ones vandalising and shoplifting, although that seems like small fry compared to what they'd do these days.

It sounds like I'm excusing this behaviour which I'm not, it's just clear that some of you don't know the area or what it's like to grow up in that environment.

A 14 year old has now been charged. I think he should be named, I think everyone should know who his family are. It's the only way to deter these people. Kids think they can get away with anything because they can't be named.

There is no ND or mental health condition that makes you kill a gentle 80 year old man. I think all the rest of them were released so quickly because one of them filmed it.

Um - no, it's not in these cases with teens, actually.