Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

Well, it's a pattern across the whole world, and as far as I know it's not just based on police statistics, but also on interviews of people ("Have you been a victim of crime in the last 12 months", etc). Sociologists are basically baffled. It's been seriously suggested that removing lead from petrol may explain at least part of it.

Anecdotally, both my sister (burglaries) and I (theft from cars) were victims of crime a lot in the 80s and 90s, but hardly ever since [touches wood]. Burglary has gone out of fashion because (very crudely) people don't have video recorders and TVs are cheap in real terms, and since Covid nobody has cash either.

Theft from cars has dropped because every car has a radio/satnav built in. Theft of cars has dropped hugely, apart from high-end ones stolen to order, because immobilisers are pretty good. I remember in the 1990s in Swansea when 90% of all TWOCing in the town was done by two scrotes. When they were both in YOIs at the same time, car theft basically stopped. (Theft of catalytic convertors is a new problem, though.)

No, an element of it is innate I’m afraid.

This too. So many kids not going to school, no consequences for the parents. Fundamentally the parents are the issues

@Overbearingndn the OP says "Five children, three of them 12 years old, have killed an 80 year old dog walker".

That was always a rather ambitious claim given the available evidence, but in the light of the updates from this evening showing that four of the children have been released without charge, might it be an idea to ask MNHQ to edit the post?

I quite agree about laws being enforced equally and fairly - I think it would be highly unlikely.
Unfortunately, while we've seen 'advertising campaigns' by police services showing front doors being cut open or broken in to apprehend rioters, there was no similar coverage of the arrested attackers of the chef or the young mother.
Policing without fear or favour is due a comeback.

Omar Wilson.

I've read differing things about if the area where the attack took place could be considered part of the carnival. The food stalls had been set up to attract carnival-goers.

And you know this for a fact??

Go ahead and report.

Based on this measure, knife crime increased by 90% between 2012/13 and 2019/20 in England and Wales. And, though it fell in 2020/21 due to COVID-19 social distancing measures, it has since increased in 2021/22 and 2022/23, and is now 75% higher than in 2012/13.

The issue of crime just isn’t being addressed. It is almost as though as it okay if the peasants kill each other.
I can’t help but think that countries with tougher laws don’t have this problem. The above increase is shocking and we never have money to tackle the root cause as that involves public spending.

Poor man, they need to bring back the death penalty for all these very dangerous criminals of the world

Car theft has risen in our area, we had a meeting with our mp and a chief of police about it. Ford Eco sports are being especially targeted for parts to be sent abroad apparently. We've had 4 thefts in our road and someone had a go at stealing my catalytic converter .

@PyongyangKipperbang Of course the fact that he is bigger and stronger then her is a major part of that! When they are 6 you can pick them up and dump them into school, but you cant do that when they are 16 and bigger than you! Especially if that kid is violent.

I'm not sure why you're obsessed with the idea of 6 foot teenage boys specifically, because no one would be able to physically pick up any teenager regardless of their size. I don't think I could physically dump a teenage girl into school either.

The point though is that size is irrelevant. A teenage boy can still receive a firm punch on their ear, or can be beaten using a wooden spoon. Teenagers have no means for earning their own money, so they can be controlled by removing financial privileges from them too. Size doesn't count for anything- make it clear to a teen what they need to do, and what the consequences will be if they don't do it.

What are you talking about?!
Not all Sikhs have turbans!!
He wasn't a Muslim - his name is Kohli a Punjabi Sikh / Hindu surname.
You don't need to know the history of the name.

I think it's far too simplistic to say "what's wrong with the children".

A better question is "how did some children get to that point, what happened to them?"

Because we know that adequately parented children do not generally do stuff like this. Something is wrong.

A teenage boy can still receive a firm punch on their ear, or can be beaten using a wooden spoon.

Someone please start a thread entitled "How to discipline your 6ft teenager with a wooden spoon". It would be right up there with Penis Beaker.

I think it is possible to prevent people from becoming criminals but incredibly hard to rehabilitate them
I agree @EsmaCannonball, (although I'm not sure that everyone can be prevented . . .)

Re the calls to imprison the parents of offending children, the feeling is understandable but I dont think this is workable for several reasons.
EG
-It would give children a weapon to use against parents
-Sets a dangerous precedent of people being punished for the crimes of others.
-These parents imprisoned for the crimes of their children, will they come out reformed & ready to be model parents? Or will they come out even worse people than they went in, & wanting revenge on their kids?

Maybe mandatory parenting classes where both have to attend?

I think this would only be true if you were a sociopath/psychopath. If you look at the children who commit crime they all have the same factors growing up, that can't be a coincidence

The rights of law-abiders should always take priority over the rights of criminals. Every time, and at every level.

It’s happened in braustone town not braunstone estate, not saying it’s up market but it’s not a ghetto

A teenage boy can still receive a firm punch on their ear, or can be beaten using a wooden spoon. Teenagers have no means for earning their own money, so they can be controlled by removing financial privileges from them too
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You're from the 1950s arent you @shuggles

You want us to execute 12 year olds? Wow. I'm pretty sure even Saudi Arabia doesn't execute minors.

You and others are crying in this thread about how it's supposedly impossible to control children. I've told you how to do it, then your response is to make snarky comments. It seems that some people don't want to be helped.

Actual picture of the spoon:

Another thing about crime statistics is that homicide figures are affected by medical science and infrastructure. People are surviving violent attacks that would have killed them 10, 20, 30 years ago because of things like mobile phones, air ambulances, armed forces trauma experience informing improvements in emergency medicine, etc.

Extremely strange comment. You do have a wooden spoon in your kitchen, right? That's what I meant.