Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

There are violent and aggressive girls but the crime statistics speak for themselves.

I had to let go of a friend partly because I was so sick of her constant complaints about her kids teachers and her repeated attempts to question and challenge them when her children behaved badly and were disciplined.

Then she would be in a rage if she sent an email at say 9am and it wasn’t replied to before the end of the day.

I tried to explain to her teachers workload and the fact they are busy teaching her kids for most of the day and might take a while to get to parent emails, but she wouldn’t really accept it.

She’d even taken to texting me “funny” (rude) things her kids had said to teachers and giggling about it. I did challenge her a few times, but I just got sick of it and realised this was just how she was.

Posters are already talking above your post about their tough childhood.

I completely agree. But until recently this kind of talk was unacceptable. The tide is finally turning and I think there will be major policy changes in the near future. No doubt the usual bleats of "but... human rights" will be heard from the usual suspects.

The public has never been asked for its opinion on crime and punishment.
Concurrent sentences reward criminals for additional crimes.
Bukele in El Salvador has decided that gang members in his country are beyond rehabilitation and simply need to be taken out of circulation, so that law-abiding people can live safely.
If current lawlessness continues, might the 'far-right' achieve electoral success not by focusing on immigration but by offering to bolster law enforcement?

Almost everywhere in the western world, including the UK, crime is about half what it was 30 years ago. (Nobody knows why, either.)

What has gone up in that time is our perception of crime, thanks to the availability of online shock information 24/7.

BlackFriYay · Today 22:22

This will be a very unpopular opinion but I'll share it anyway.

You think it will be unpopular? On this thread!? Where people have called for the death penalty for all of them?

I’ve lost patience with people who are public nuisances and intimidating and now just want them locked away so I can live my life in peace. There’s very much a notion that if you’re a half-functioning adult these days you should tolerate all sorts of shit to ‘be kind’, but I disagree. All I want is for hard working, decent law abiding people to have a good quality of life unbothered by others.

No thought for the elderly man then. Maybe because he was old or because of his race.

All about poor parents, poor kids, their mental health.

I think it is possible to prevent people from becoming criminals but incredibly hard to rehabilitate them. Most people who stop their criminality do so become they hit the criminal menopause and just feel too old for the lifestyle. Some people become beyond redemption and the misery and damage they inflicted on society while the authorities ineffectually try to rehabilitate them isn't worth the human cost.

The man who has been arrested over the death of the chef at the Notting Hill Carnival is a former prisoner who became the director of a rehabilitation organisation. He did public speaking gigs about what a changed man he was. Some people just know how to say all the right things.

These people will always be like this, we could throw billions at them (tbh we do already) and it would make only a small difference. For some people it’s innate, they’re simply not quality people.

I was stalked, from being a teenager at school, for fifteen years by a stranger that was considerably older than me.

The man who did it claimed he was autistic. Self diagnosed. Couldn't provide any evidence of it.

The police said that they'd like us to both take part in "restorative justice" where we sat in the same room together and read out statements to each other about our feelings and had the chance to "talk it out and reconcile". I was utterly terrified of him. The policeman who interviewed him was terrified of him too. But I was told, "it's a shame though because he's so creepy he'll never get a girlfriend and he just latched on to you...he says he's autistic so he can't help it...I know it's hard but maybe it's best to be kind."

I'm autistic. I would have quite liked to have him locked up, thanks Officer. I quite fancy walking out my front door without a 23 stone old creep breathing down my neck for the first time in my adult life.

A police officer friend told me years ago they would always prefer to deal with drunk males than drunk females, groups of males rather than females because the women are very unpredictable and could be unexpectedly violent such as suddenly biting, scratching or kicking - guys more predictable and so easier to handle.
However, this was certainly a gang driven event that probably could only happen together (not excusing any single one as all complicit in this horrific murder)
I expect many of us had to read Lord of the Flies at school, which I think was a pretty accurate depiction of how kids can behave when left in charge of what they are doing, which many kids effectively are nowadays- not so much in going out to meet friends, but in not having to really listen to anyone - parents/teachers/police. When I was around 11 I recall dropping my bus ticket on the ground and an elderly man telling me off and waiting until I picked it up - I was very embarrassed and also very worried he may know my parents or school (uniform) - I cannot imagine that happening today! I recently saw a gang of youngish kids running through a shopping centre spitting on shop goods and swearing and scaring folk - a security guard got a proper round of abuse and threats when he tried to tell them to leave.
Kids have always killed and kids have always got in groups of friends perhaps behaving more confidently and possibly confrontationally than they would individually, but I do think there's a rise in the gang type violence that is quite frightening - the kids are more in charge I believe than in previous decades and it's not going so well (as Golding imagined) - I don't know what can or will realistically be done to reverse this on a large scale. So worrying for future generations.

What we need is good quality education where young people have prospects

Can't have that with parents who constantly undermine teachers and refuse to let their little darlings face the consequences of their appalling behaviour, unfortunately.

There is a reason that teacher recruitment and retention is in crisis.

Is that true? I tried to report a crime (car left precariously on bricks and the kerb with the wheels stolen) and was told that unless I had proof that the owner wasn't carrying out maintenance there was no crime.
Police refusing to attend shoplifting and other 'minor' crimes, fraud being deemed a civil matter are thousands of crimes just going unrecorded?

I don't care about family dysfunctional of these monsters. The poor old man and his family should get justice. These kids are feral and so are their families, and in general kids today are not taught to respect older people.

@pubsafety I was with you until you said the far right could be tasked with being in charge of law enforcement. If this happens then what you'll find is that a lot of people of colour would be targeted. The far right can't be trusted to implement law enforcement equally or fairly.

I don't believe that crime is low. Reported crime might be low but actual crime is far, far higher. People just don't bother reporting it nowadays because they have so little faith that the police will actually do anything.

DP is from leicester and says the area that it happened is a shithole, he’s not surprised the kids were feral. Although it’s not something you think you’d hear about… an 80 year old guy getting killed by 5 children, what even goes through thier mind to even consider this. This take not respecting your elders to a whole other level….

IUnfortunately you can't lock away everyone you think is a criminal forever along with their parents. What you have to do is put a lot of money into early intervention, which is proven to prevent youth crime. Recidivism rates for offenders, especially children, who are sentenced to prison are really high. And as previous posters have said, youth crime has not risen dramatically for a long time.

Oh wow really I didn’t know this. That’s bonkers. Has the alleged murderers name been released?I can think of one ex criminal who leads a rehab organisation but I doubt it’s him.

And btw the death of the chef was unconnected to Carnival. It just happened quite near it.

People don't trust crime statistics, not only because so much crime goes unreported but also because the statistics are massaged. IIRC, the ONS only allows individuals to be recorded as a victim of crime up to five times in one year. So if you are a victim of repeated harassment or domestic violence, say, not all instances will count in the official figures. For some reason, up until recently, the ONS also excluded crimes committed against older people in their statistics. This isn't all about stories whipped up by the media. People can see what is going on in the streets where they live.

It's not innate, it's learned behaviour usually over several generations. You have a kid, surrounded by losers, no one gives a shit about them, no role models, no one to teach them, no love or kindness. What sort of person will they grow up to be? What hope do they have? A dog kept in a cage and kicked will bite. A unwatered plant will die.

It is nauseating because posters like have not given a thought to the old victim and his family. For you real victims are those kids.