Feral children

[Overbearingndn]

Several children, have been arrested in connection with the death of an 80 year old dog walker.

What is wrong with children today? I remember the Bulger case and it sent shockwaves around the world, now people just accept that children kill.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/03/five-children-arrested-over-murder-80-year-old-man-in-leicestershire

opening post edited by MNHQ

Oh dear. If this wasnt so misinformed I would laugh.

Just take a look on MN sometime at parents tearing their hair out about one of their kids. All parented well, all brought up the same. I remember one in particular, her marriage broke down as a result of her teen son being violent, refusing school etc and her other kids left with dad as they couldnt stand it either. She tried EVERYTHING, engaged with all the services, school etc and was still being threatened with court if he didnt go to school.

Of course the fact that he is bigger and stronger then her is a major part of that! When they are 6 you can pick them up and dump them into school, but you cant do that when they are 16 and bigger than you! Especially if that kid is violent.

Background does have an impact, I am not saying it doesnt, but personality has far more. Good parenting can mitigate that to a certain extent, but not to the point where it can "cure" MH issues, a personality disorder or just being a twat.

ETA if you read my post I actually said that IF my son had been so inclined I would have been physically unable to stop him. He wasnt, isnt and I doubt ever will be, so I shall take that as an endorsement of my superior parenting by your standards.

12 years old. Not long left primary school.

There was a lad left our primary school this year who was huge. Well over 5 ft 6 and solid. He was a real problem. His parents had no control. They had let him play GTA since nursery. Whenever school tried to discipline him they just got a mouth full from the parents.

This will be a very unpopular opinion but I'll share it anyway.

Years ago children who overstepped the line and did something terrible were given a smacked arse or a clip round the ear. They would think twice about doing it again. Often the smacked arse would be deterrent enough not to do it in the first place.

Nowadays, you can't even raise your voice to tell them off for fear of being reported to social services or the NSPCC and being accused of emotional abuse.

Children are running amok because they know they can. They're not worried about repercussions because they know that whatever poor person they're throwing stones at can't do anything about it because then they will be the one in trouble.

They're verbally and physically abusive to teachers simply because they can be. Who's going to do anything about it? You can't even defend yourself against little yobs like this.

If ever there were candidates for a bloody good hiding then these kids take the rosette.

Yes, I know some people who have been teachers for decades and they say the biggest difference is parental attitudes to bad behaviour. Virtually all parents used to be mortified if their children behaved badly and would support the school in wanting to do something about it. Nowadays they march up to the school, shouting the odds about 'How dare you say my child has been bad?' or 'How dare you discipline my child?'

I don't think you can draw any conclusions from a lack of charges yet, it's much too soon.

While boys may be more inclined to violence along, it's not that unusual to see violence from teen girls in groups. There was a group of teen girls in the city I grew up in, when I was in university, who swarmed a number of people over a period of a few months, and several were very seriously assaulted during the swarming.

It’s awful but i don’t know why you think we just accept that children kill nowadays. This has made front page news precisely because it is shocking and horrendous, it’s clear from this thread people see this as horrific, where on earth have you seen this shrugged off as just a thing kids do?

In my line of work, I can categorically state that inadequate parenting skills are, more often than not, to blame for a child’s poor behaviour. It’s been eye opening and things are deteriorating rapidly. The reality is the people who should be having kids can’t afford to, those that offer little to society are breeding like rabbits. There is no personal responsibility and I agree with others that parents should be responsible for their children up to the age of 18, or risk losing all state benefits, pensions and be subject to community service and/or heavy fines.

As for the typical response of “their parents must be so proud”, their parents don’t care. I used to think differently, not any more. That’s the sad, very sad, reality

Even if the culprit is male, that the girls were hanging out with him also says something. Show me your friends and I'd tell you who you are.

I can't imagine my teen dc telling me that their friend has killed someone for the fun of it. That is horrible whether they did it too or not. Stop trying to exonerate girls from crimes and responsibilities. It's sexist.

It's nauseating bevause you can predict all the excuses already for their behaviour.

I think people get caught up in exceptions.

Of course there are lots of kids brought up badly that end up ok, as basically good people, or sometimes even great.

And there are kids brought up well that have serious inadequacies.

But in general, when you talk about really neglectful uncaring parents, they will produce a larger number of kids who are social problems compared to caring parents. Significantly larger, IMO.

Please be careful not to make any assumptions about guilt, people. No-one has been charged yet, let alone convicted, and we do not want to prejudice any trial that may take place.

Some parents don't give a shit about their DC's whereabouts. I wasn't allowed to say "out" when my parents said to me where are you going?

I suspect there is a strong correlation between income/class and feralness in children. The less income, the less the parents don't give a shit.

Gosh, even if you thought it did you have to insinuate it in black and white? Have some respect for a grieving family.

It seems he was universally loved by his locally community and a wonderful, gentle soul.

There are suggestions that it was the latest in a series of racially aggravated antisocial behaviour towards an elderly, Asian gentleman.

Like this mother…this story hit me hard last week. I need to turn off the news 😔

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/ohio-mother-death-toddler-left-alone-vacation-rcna144461

Stop trying to exonerate girls from crimes and responsibilities. It's sexist.

Absolutely. There's a poster above who's jumped in already, desperate to be told that the 14 year old is a boy.
The girls were involved. They could have not gone with the boys on what was clearly an intended altercation. They could have walked away from the incident. But they didn't. One might even have been the murderer.

Now I await the 'but they must have been coerced' comments.

Oh for goodness' sake 🙄

The victim was a Hindu or Muslim, not Sikh as a photograph released shows a clean shaven man.

There are still many many white people who are racist. They voted for Brexit because of these Asians who many moved to the UK well before 1973. when UK joined the EU (or EEC in those days)

Just report it-don’t give it the time of day.

Lots of snobbery and racism on this thread. We don’t know the kids or their families yet. Perhaps we never will.

I wish I hadn't read the article. Truly horrifying.

This will be unpopular but I’ve said for a while now the UK has a serious scum problem, in a way comparable European countries don’t.

Walk through any town (aside from the very posh) and you’ll see topless tattooed men smoking weed as they cycle down the road, shouting obscenities or generally intimidating people. Unkempt children trailing around after disinterested parents who are too busy vaping and arguing to realise they’re there. 3 year olds sat in buggies sucking lollies and fruit shoots at 10am. People either mentally ill or off their face on drugs, or both, staggering about making a nuisance of themselves.

Since we essentially legislated to enable people to breed as much as they want and have the state pick up the tab, we gave the green light to wrong people to have a lot of children, while the ‘right’ people were sensible and stuck at 1 or 2 (or none). After 25 years of such policies we are now seeing the fruits of our bad decision - those children are now adults having their own children, and the parenting is worse than ever.

As a country we are moving towards a place where a small core of hard working people are being drained by a large minority of people with so many ‘needs’ they cost hundreds of thousands a year just to keep out of prison. And they hold us to ransom by saying they would neglect their kids if we don’t just keep throwing cash at them.

A total mess that can only be sorted with some very hardline policies, which will never happen as they would be viewed as human rights violations. So we must sink together.

Both parts of "Bhim Kohli" are Hindu names.

And yes, sadly, there will be some unreconstructed racists celebrating "One less P*" tonight.

Leicester police have announced, all the children apart from one 14 year old still in custody, have now been released with no further action.

The teenage girl in Cardiff who kicked a gay man to death certainly wasn't ' just there' albeit she acted with two men. ' I fucking needed that ' was her comment in the immediate aftermath.