To think we should all boycott John Lewis until they respect their female employees

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https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/resignation-letter-from-a-john-lewis

This is a letter from a female employee of John Lewis's Cheadle branch. John Lewis told its female employees that they have to share toilets and locker rooms with trans identifying men. The employee says this is having a terrible effect especially on colleagues who have experienced trauma relating to men or who have religious reasons to not want to share a space with someone who is the opposite sex.

I read it. It all boils down to “exclude trans women from women’s loos,” without straightforwardly coming out and saying it.

Exclude men from women only spaces.

Lets strive for accuracy in language, it's very important.

That sounds like it would have a discrimination case. If the men have dedicated toilets but the women must share then surely that's not legal?

Ddraig

No idea of the legality but I've seen it a few times, mainly in small theatres

Of course it's not okay if they've had surgery!

They're still men. Do you not understand that. I don't want to share personal and private space with men. End of. No matter what they wear or what cosmetic surgery they've had.

So they've got gender dysphoria and that's sad for them. But why should I and millions of women like me have to put our discomfort and safety aside? Why aren't our wants and needs as important as theirs? They want to be in our space, we don't want them in our space. Ask yourself why you are siding with them.

I mean I know the answer it's because they're men and you think women are subservient. Either because you are a man or a woman with a nasty case of internalised misogyny. It is not our job to budge up.

It's also not our job to pity or accommodate them.

And if you think that Rachel Dolezal isn't truly black, because she feels truly black you're a hypocrite too. Surely she should have been allowed to keep her job and identify as she pleased at the expense of the black community? Because you are advocating for these men to steal from women so what's the difference?

As it happens my sister had a friend who was a transwoman. He was deeply problematic.always dressed in an overtly sexual fashion. Always speaking overly openly about his sexual hook ups which involved inviting men around to his house for sex whom he met online. He used to boast that he could give them an excellent wank as he had once had his own penis, far better than a biological women apparently. And always always wearing stilettos, a short skirt and stockings which he would flash at women he had only just met and indeed his supermarket work colleagues.

Oh and a lot of his hook ups were married men (to women)

So let's not pretend that all transwomen are wilting flowers. Many of them like this man are AGPs with the intention of forcing women to partake in their fetish.

It’s completely pointless posting in these threads full of pitchforks. However I do wonder if any of you have ever actually met or interacted with a person suffering from gender dysphoria. There’s so much ignorance and hatred on display.

If people have gender dysphoria they should get therapy and proper mental health support.

Women aren't men's emotional support humans. They have their own needs. There are women who have been violently raped, suffer domestic abuse - why would you deny these women these spaces away from men? Why don't these women matter to you?

Which one of these should be banned from women’s toilets? They are both transgender.

Theres no point in trying to play gotcha with pics. Our real life experience of people is totally different.

My point is, if you say transmen can use ladies toilets, what’s to stop actual men from pretending to be transmen to access them?

Everyone knows what sex they are and the societal expectation needs to be that everyone does the decent thing and sticks to correct sex spaces. Good men stay out so bad men stand out.

I don't find 'transmen' pass very well in real life either, despite the facial hair. Their stature, vocals and gait are very distinct from men.

Loving your post @SoundTheSirens

Not all trans-identifying people have gender dysphoria. Surely there’d be as many middle aged women identifying as transmen???

How many transmen have you met in real life? My understanding is that they are a lot rarer than transwomen. I have never met one but have met transwomen. Can you really tell a transman from an effeminate man?

Sorry, are you including trans women in your definition of ‘bad men’?! Are you just trying to be needlessly offensive?!

And that’s before you’ve started on your views on transmen….

Late to thread but I can see we’ve still got a number of posters who will argue until they’re blue in the face that men should have a right to be in women’s spaces. So odd.

And how are we supposed to teach our own girls and granddaughters the same common sense, principles and self protection?

The man should be banned.

Some bad men are trans women. Get over it. Isla Bryson, Karen White, Katie Dolatwoski to name a few.

I’d argue that any biological man, regardless of how they identify, who knowingly goes into spaces designated only for women (toilets, changing rooms etc etc) are pushing boundaries. They know their presence may bring discomfort yet do it anyway as their need for validation is more important. I don’t think they are ‘good’ men.

Who cares?

What does that have to do with the issue of men wanting access to womens spaces?

Won’t we have to start boycotting everywhere soon?

It’s a fucking shambles out there!

The fact that some creepy fuckers get off on this and they’re being ALLOWED to!

Please press the reset button on all of this! It’s absolutely bonkers!

Fortunately a fundamental tenet of English jurisprudence is that we don’t condemn an entire group of people because of one bad apple.

What’s your endgame? Lock up all men because of the bad actors?!

Primark's new approach can't possibly offend anyone, can it? An area specifically designated for women, and a mixed-'gender' area.

Should work for everyone, given women are the ones at risk from male-pattern sexual and violent offending. Women also number those who, for reasons of past sexual trauma, or religion, or because they just plain don't want to share their spaces with the sex-class who pose a demonstrable risk to them, mainly object to their spaces being designated mixed sex facilities.

This way, women get their much needed and hard fought-for spaces. Trans people are not 'outed', or have unnecessary attention drawn to themselves (and it's my experience that those who don't want to draw attention to themselves, generally don't). With such a set-up, women who don't mind sharing their spaces can do just that, and mums of young sons can attend the same changing area without encroaching on spaces which are not designed for them.

It sounds to me as though everyone wins with this approach. There are few people whom the set-up as described above would not suit.

Why, then, are the women's facilities so often designated 'mixed gender' whilst the men's are left unencumbered? (And in case it needs pointing out, this is a rhetorical question).

We don’t ‘condemn’ men by keeping them out of female spaces. Or are you of the opinion that all single-sex spaces are an act of oppression towards the other sex?!

So is he

Statistically, as has been pointed out many times, males as a sex class pose more of a risk to females than other females. Hence why spaces are segregated by sex in the first place.

We all know lovely men who we think wouldn’t harm a fly, I don’t want them in those spaces either.

The endgame is males should stay out of female spaces until that risk no longer exists.

Maybe you and all the other TRA’s who argue that males should be allowed into such spaces should put your energies into tackling this. Or figure out a way of us being able to tell the bad men from the good men, before anything bad happens. Women everywhere would be most grateful and we thank you in advance.

What’s your endgame? Lock up all men because of the bad actors?!

Nope, just keep men out of women’s spaces. Including men who dress as women. They’re still men. And the ones who have their chopper chopped off. They’re still men too.