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Measles … I don’t understand!

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dol1 · 29/08/2024 07:09

Dd has had the vaccine at 12 months. I’ve been watching news and there is apparently a ‘surge’ in cases now. The second vaccine for it isn’t until she’s 3… does this mean she could well get measles between now and then?

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TwistedSisters · 02/09/2024 14:48

Above in response to @Reugny.

parkrun500club · 02/09/2024 14:53

Angrymum22 · 30/08/2024 12:32

I believe the whooping cough vaccine was withdrawn because a small number of medics thought it was associated with brain damage. This was never proved. The original vaccine was replaced with a different “safer” version which unfortunately does not confer the same level of immunity. This is why we see large outbreaks of mild whooping cough every year. It often goes undiagnosed because it is in most cases very mild and doesn’t lead to the chronic cough associated with whooping cough.
Those of us who had the vaccine pre 1970s will have a much more robust response to infection.

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

As for Wakefield, the autism and MMR thing was definitely a topic before he published his research. It wasn't his idea. He just ran with it to try to make money (I didn't know about his links to the single vaccine, I just knew he was after making money somehow!)

Violinist64 · 02/09/2024 15:07

TwistedSisters · 02/09/2024 14:45

One of the very first posts on this thread said that 'in all likelihood they'll be fine' and used the apparent measles parties as justification.

Of course I know many on this thread would have grandparents etc born before 1940 - my own were! I'm just pointing out that measles has been thought of as a very dangerous disease for a long long time and for posters to flippantly remark that 'they used to have measles parties after all' is both inaccurate and dangerous as it could lead people to think that its similar to something like chickenpox.

You mention chickenpox, but, if you see the post l made earlier, you will notice that l made the point that it can be a very nasty illness. Most children will have it relatively mildly and recover quickly, but for a sizeable minority of people, especially adults, it can be really dangerous. People have occasionally died from it. As it is, my immunity was already compromised from having flu (the real thing, not just a bad cold) a few weeks prior to catching chickenpox, which is why I was quite as poorly as I was. Later in the year, the ear infections that had plagued me when I was smaller returned with a vengeance, to the point where I had major surgery and a lifetime of hearing impediments. Childhood diseases are mainly fairly mild for most children, but l think we are mistaken if we think that there are no risks or side effects that are possible. There is a reason that most children's illnesses of the past are now vaccinated against and any churchyard will tell its own story.

TwistedSisters · 02/09/2024 15:55

Violinist64 · 02/09/2024 15:07

You mention chickenpox, but, if you see the post l made earlier, you will notice that l made the point that it can be a very nasty illness. Most children will have it relatively mildly and recover quickly, but for a sizeable minority of people, especially adults, it can be really dangerous. People have occasionally died from it. As it is, my immunity was already compromised from having flu (the real thing, not just a bad cold) a few weeks prior to catching chickenpox, which is why I was quite as poorly as I was. Later in the year, the ear infections that had plagued me when I was smaller returned with a vengeance, to the point where I had major surgery and a lifetime of hearing impediments. Childhood diseases are mainly fairly mild for most children, but l think we are mistaken if we think that there are no risks or side effects that are possible. There is a reason that most children's illnesses of the past are now vaccinated against and any churchyard will tell its own story.

Yes I agree, my niece ended up in hospital from chickenpox complications and it was horrible. I would fully support the chickenpox vaccination being added to the routine immunisations for children.

SabrinaThwaite · 02/09/2024 16:19

I had chicken pox as an adult - felt dreadful. DC had had the CP vaccination (it was a requirement to attend nursery where we had been living) and had a very mild case, just a few red bumps and felt a bit poorly. DC was over it in a couple of days - I was off work for a fortnight.

Blueybanditbingochilli · 02/09/2024 16:20

curious79 · 29/08/2024 07:23

And if she does get it in all likelihood, she’ll be absolutely fine. It is immunocompromised and already unwell kids who fare badly from measles. When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.

Many healthy children sadly died from measles.

Toiletbrushdisaster · 02/09/2024 16:25

LynetteScavo · 29/08/2024 07:34

Which country and decade was this?

I've never, ever met a parent who wanted to expose their child to measles, even those who chose not to vaccinate.

In this country . Certainly in the 1950s and possibly after that too. I was sent to try to catch the usual childhood illnesses but didn't.

NyeRobey · 02/09/2024 16:36

parkrun500club · 02/09/2024 14:53

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

As for Wakefield, the autism and MMR thing was definitely a topic before he published his research. It wasn't his idea. He just ran with it to try to make money (I didn't know about his links to the single vaccine, I just knew he was after making money somehow!)

There was a little girl in my village who had brain damage from whooping cough vaccine in the 1970s. Having seen the baby before and after the vaccine there was definitely a huge change.

fashionqueen0123 · 02/09/2024 19:36

The second dose is definitely needed to cover the measles and mumps because a bunch of kids my age only had one dose of mmr and then loads of young adults got mumps at uni in the early 2000s and they gave them a second dose of mmr. It was in the news and I remember my uni doing clinics. (I didn’t need it as I’d had mumps as a kid though)

bruffin · 02/09/2024 21:56

NyeRobey · 02/09/2024 16:36

There was a little girl in my village who had brain damage from whooping cough vaccine in the 1970s. Having seen the baby before and after the vaccine there was definitely a huge change.

my family suffers from GEFS+ which is a SCNa1 mutation. Mild form is abnormal febrile confulsions which go on past puberty and a lot more than normal ie my ds had over 20 and had his last one at 13

The extreme form is Dravet syndrome which cause seizures in infants that cause brain damage. When researchers looked at genes of children with what they thought was supposed vaccine injury it turned out they had SCNa1 mutations .Sometimes the vaccine can trigger Dravet Syndrome but it does not cause Dravet Syndrome and any temperature will have triggered the onset.

TheCompactPussycat · 02/09/2024 22:11

TickingAlongNicely · 29/08/2024 08:14

Pre vaccine, I think it wasn't that measles wasn't bad, it just wasn't as bad as some of the other illnesses. Scarlet Fever used to the leading cause of death in children for example... but now its easily treatable with antibiotics.

This.

My DD was hospitalised and required life-saving emergency surgery when she had scarlet fever. After she was out of hospital, I bumped into an elderly neighbour who knew DD had been poorly and in hospital but not why. When I said it was because she'd had scarlet fever, the colour literally drained from my neighbour's face. And this was a woman who'd had diptheria as a child.

Fireangels · 02/09/2024 22:22

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 29/08/2024 08:02

This just isn't true. Measles is terrible, I know as I had it and I was ill and off school for 6 weeks , I was very very lucky I was left blinded or with some other permanent disability . I still remember how much the light hurt my eyes. My step father has damaged eyes from a bad dose of measles.

Absolutely This. My DF who recently passed away aged 87 wore glasses from the age of 5 after his eyesight was severely damaged by measles.

RancidOldHag · 03/09/2024 15:38

A fact that was omitted from a previous post.

From the NHS page detailing eligibility for the catch-up programme

  • "you were born between 1970 and 1990 (as you may not have been vaccinated against all 3 infections)"

ie, you are eligible because it is possible you may never have received a mumps immunisation (not because the single measles or rubella jabs were insufficiently effective)

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