Measles … I don’t understand!

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Dd has had the vaccine at 12 months. I’ve been watching news and there is apparently a ‘surge’ in cases now. The second vaccine for it isn’t until she’s 3… does this mean she could well get measles between now and then?

Wasn’t that German measles?

Measles: Can kill a child. More likely Auditory nerve damage ie deafness.
German measles: The damage from German measles comes from exposure to pregnant women and birth defects.
Chicken pox- Scars from skin infections and encephalitis. Adults past 45-50 need a shingles vax. Some localities are still having voluntary chicken pox exposure. Lollipops from infected children are passed on.

I think you’re thinking of German measles, which isn’t dangerous unless you’re pregnant, hence why there were German measles parties.

My friend’s lovely teenage son had his life ruined by chicken pox. He is in permanent pain and may always be. My brother’s friend was made permanently deaf by mumps. A girl at my school was mentally and physically disabled due to her mother catching rubella whilst pregnant. The girl found a lump in her breast but didn’t tell anyone until it was too late (due, I guess to learning impairment) and died of breast cancer. All this ‘innocent childhood diseases’ is nonsense. Get your kids vaccinated.

Ask your doctor whether your child should have a couple of doses of vitamin A. It seems to be part of the NHS protocol as it helps to mitigate the illness to some extent. Your doctor should know the appropriate dose. Vitamin A must be treated with respect.

When I was nine, I remember visiting my friend when she has measles. This would have been in 1968. She was in bed with the curtains drawn. I didn't catch it from her, but did eventually catch it when I was 13. Fortunately, I had it very mildly and wasn't particularly ill. Just basically felt a bit rough and had a headache.
I came out of quarantine on Christmas Day which was good as we were having Christmas dinner at my aunt's.

My great aunt was left blind from measles and I know of a young lad, in his 20s now, who also lost his sight through measles complications when he was a pre-teen.

I had it 40 years ago and was pretty ill but thankfully no lasting damage. I wasn’t able to have the vaccine because of bad asthma at the time (before MMR). It’s so important everyone is vaccinated to protect those who can’t have vaccines.

Fact 1: Whilst I was at school there was a revaccination programme for anyone born in September 1977 or later.
Fact 2: They have since realised that this should have been earlier and anyone at risk of catching measles - even if they've had the measles vaccine - is eligible for the MMR.
Fact 3: Both my husband and I were offered the MMR about ten years ago and have had the jab. My husband opted for the single jab. I've had both as I work in a high-risk role. We had both been vaccinated for measles as infants.

+1 for this.
And to anyone reading this who decides, or has decided, not to get their children vaccinated against MMR or anything else: that decision could lead to you facing a life-changing lawsuit. From your own child.

I wouldn't worry. I found out when I was pregnant with my first that I wasn't immune even though I had two injections. I received another 2 after I had my daughter and i was told again, two years later that I wasn't immune when I was pregnant with my son. The MMR apparently doesn't work on 10% of people anyway. 🤷 I've had it 6 times now and still probably not immune. Also, they only used to give people one injection in the 80s anyway.

Adults past 45-50 need a shingles vax.

You can only have the Shingles vaccination on the NHS if you were aged 65+ on 1st September 2024, unless you are immunocompromised or beginning immunosuppressive therapy, in which case it’s 50+. If you don’t satisfy any of these conditions it’s around £450-500 for the two Shingles vaccinations.

Bonkers. When was this?

My sister (born in the 40s) had badly affected eyesight from measles

When was this?

Because I'm old and it was never a 'generational' thing in my experience

No, it really wasn't

curious79 · 29/08/2024 07:23
And if she does get it in all likelihood, she’ll be absolutely fine. It is immunocompromised and already unwell kids who fare badly from measles. When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.
Not quite. I think you may be thinking of chicken pox?

Even if this is true (and I see others more knowledgeable than I have said that the research has been debunked), it’s only true because the few unvaccinated children are relying on the herd immunity provided by everyone else who IS vaccinated to protect them from getting the disease in the first place. If everyone follows this advice and doesn’t vaccinate, the herd immunity disappears and the unvaccinated are at much greater risk from illnesses that routinely killed and disabled children in living memory.

The "vaccine injuries" caused by gardisil etc was nonsense at well

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/hpv-vaccine-autonomic-dysfunction-another-large-study-finds-no-links/

the type of research the Curious relies on is usually anecdotal.

This is absolute rubbish.
German measles possibly yes.
Measles is incredibly dangerous and has always been thought so.

For all those insisting there were measles parties - measles has been a notifiable disease in the UK since around 1940. Which shows you just how serious it was. Stop peddling dangerous shit.

My aunt very nearly died of measles in about 1950. No way on earth were they having "parties" trying to encourage people to get it.

This is a, very interesting topic. The severity of a childhood illness depends on the immune status of the mother and has it been passed on to the child, how well the child is nourished (do they get sufficient vitamins etc) and how well the child is looked after. I got measles more than 70 years ago. No worries but simple precautions taken such as no reading, darkened sick room etc.

As so many children live in poverty, the nutrition aspect is likely to be a worry.

Some research indicates that having measles the disease, confers some resistance to Non Hodgekins Lymphoma. Unfortunately, the vaccine does not. Same with mumps and ovarian cancer. Mumps activates a MUC1 immune pathway which helps resist some forms of ovarian cancer. We might ask why the vaccine doesn't prime this immune pathway. Perhaps it should.

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I think , if i have read properly that those cancers are affected only while you have the measles not because you have had measles previously.

Anyone mentioning there were parties for various diseases are not saying it was or is safe to catch the relevant disease.

BTW I know and have known people alive before 1940s. My own parents were. They and others I know saw some horrors in regards to childhood illnesses. So even when people were doing stupid things with other diseases some considered "mild" they wanted to know if vaccines were available.

So now you are blaming mothers if their child ends up in hospital with complications or ends deaf or with sight problems?

While being malnourished means you are more likely to have complications that isn't the only reason.

One of the very first posts on this thread said that 'in all likelihood they'll be fine' and used the apparent measles parties as justification.

Of course I know many on this thread would have grandparents etc born before 1940 - my own were! I'm just pointing out that measles has been thought of as a very dangerous disease for a long long time and for posters to flippantly remark that 'they used to have measles parties after all' is both inaccurate and dangerous as it could lead people to think that its similar to something like chickenpox.