Measles … I don’t understand!

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Dd has had the vaccine at 12 months. I’ve been watching news and there is apparently a ‘surge’ in cases now. The second vaccine for it isn’t until she’s 3… does this mean she could well get measles between now and then?

Polio parties? For crying out loud! Polio before vaccines was the childhood disease most parent feared their child getting it. It's highly contagious and killed and crippled small kids in their millions.

I thought I had read enough stupidity about "measles and chicken pox parties", but this takes it to new levels by spreading dangerous crap against vaccines.

My Mum, had Whooping cough very badly as a little child {5} She has really bad asthma as an adult because of the Whooping cough exposure when she was young. {That's what the hospital told her, anyway}. Far better to be vaccinated.

Anti vaxxers can take liberties with their OWN health, but where children are concerned, it's not fair to put their lives at risk by not vaccinating them as children.

See I had that as well. A few months after the measles. And I had received the whooping cough vaccine also. My brother's on the other hand caught none of them. Strangely since the year ( aged between 5-6 ) I got measles mumps whooping cough and chickenpox I've never really been ill with any infection since

It is very very very unlikely that she will get the measles if she has already received a vaccination against them.

I'm so cross at that (subsequently discredited) doctor who put together a report years and years ago claiming (again, this has proven to be a false claim) that the MMR vaccination was linked to developing autism. Dangerous dangerous man!!!

We wouldn't be seeing a spike in these illnesses I honestly believe had that report never been written.

That sounds rough, I had measles and mumps (which did put me in hospital think I was 3 at the time) but several years apart. I am very happy I avoided Whooping cough as it sounds awful.

Being hospitalised does make you quite pro vaccine I think!

Its unlikely we would've seen the spike in measles that the govt not pulled the single measles vaccine either. If people were worried about MMR they still would've had choice of single vaccine which a lot would've taken instead. My eldest kids were young when all that palaver was going on and I remember clearly that many other parents didn't want MMR but would've happily taken the single vaccine But it was only the rich could afford to get them done privately

When people say 'one man can't change the world' they never heard of Andrew Wakefield. He moved to America and has continued to have a successful career and still peddles this shit.

Measles can trigger what is known as “immune amnesia” - your immune system ceases to recognise pathogens it has previously encountered, including from immunisation.

This happened to me as well. Measles aged 8 followed by recurring tonsillitis about 4 times a year, and tonsillectomy at 12. Never made the connection before.

The single vaccines were pulled because they are less effective than the MMR. I'm all for a bit of government bashing but the return of measles to the UK is 100% the fault of Andrew Wakefield and the hypocritical anti vaxers most of whom were vaccinated themselves and are happy to use the herd immunity of other people's children to protect their own but won't return the favour by getting their kids vaccinated, only now because of so many stupid selfish people there is no real herd immunity so all the anti vaxers can look forward to explaining to their kids who survive why they decided to put their lives at risk and/or why they risked there long term health over discredited bs

Naomi Klein has a great deal to say on anti vax pedlars in her recent book for those interested. Worth a read.

"My mum's generation had 'measles parties', like we had chicken pox when we were younger."

Well I was a child in the 60''s and can't recall anybody ever doing this. My perfectly healthy sister contracted measles and nearly died. she was in hospital for 6 weeks.

We're just waiting for someone to reminisce fondly about Bring Your Own Rat plague parties, and how the Black Death wasn't so bad if you caught it early enough.

I think the measles parties being spoken about where rubella ( German measles ) parties, girls were encouraged to get it pre puberty

Mum ( 86 ) had TB as a child and spent a year in a convalescence hospital . She remembers also a polio outbreak linked to the swimming pool - Latchmere perhaps ?

They thought Polio was eradicated and now thats making a comeback

I don't know if that is directed at me but not 'reminising fondly' about anything.
(I was merely passing on that parents have had different reactions for decades, it's nothing new, but SM & that odd man Wakefield made it much worse.)
My Partner nearly died & was affected, physically & mentally for life by Polio.
I have given my children all the vaccinations I can. Everybody should imo.

It doesnt actually

The virus remains with you and unfortunately can come back as shingles which is very painful. Luckily now there is a vaccine for the over 70's

I have read that the low vaccination rates in many cities, isn't due to the Wakefield effect any more, but a combination of chaotic lifestyles and health service disruption following Covid and some immigrant communities believing the vaccine contains a pork product.

They really weren't less effective.

It was a simple admin deadline - licences have to be renewed periodically, and the NHS decided that it would simply cease administering the single jab at the next expiration point, and without NHS as a customer, the companies decided not to renew the UK licence (even though they had all the required data and it continued to be licenced in other countries, including elsewhere in EU)

Those who have had single vaccines do not require further immunisation.

It was fiendishly bad timing that the Wakefield scandal came right on top of the licence expiration - because of course back then, the question marks had not been dealt with by further research. So there is a cohort of people, roughly in their mid-20s now, with extremely low vaccination rates. They will be at risk themselves, and babies born to unvaccinated mothers will not have any transferred maternal protection.

As an aside, there never was a golden age of high MMR take up. The figures before the NHS ceased providing the single jab were for all those immunised, ie both single and MMR. If the aim was to have high measles vaccination rates, then especially with the controversy beginning, it would have made considerably more sense to go for one more renewal (yes, paperwork needed, but all the required data existed) and let it lapse after all the further studies (which were then only just beginning) produced results.

One of the MMR jab does contain pork gelatine, but the other one doesn't.
https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/mmr-vaccine/#:~:text=The%20MMR%20VaxPro%20vaccine%20contains,the%20Priorix%20MMR%20vaccine%20instead.

Imagine taking your kid to a party where there was a one in five thousand chance of them
dying.

No, they really weren’t.

It really wasn't common in the UK to have measles parties in the 40-60s+

They might have been the (frankly dangerous) "done thing" in your small circle, but they were absolutely not a common thing.

The US had them though.

Agreed. I’m not saying we should copy the US in everything, far from it, but I do think they’ve got this one right - children need to be vaccinated before starting at state schools.

They weren't less effective. It's just the govt couldn't be bothered to review the licence. Where you an adult parent of young kids at the time therefore able to " read the room" as such.

If the govt really were concerned about low take-up they would've been able to provide the alternative. Instead they chose to on the MMR or nothing choice

I think not so much believed to be a dick move at a time there was no protection from it (measles) and thought to be much more dangerous when caught as an adult. When my oldest sib was born, 11 years before me, our grandmother took out a penny policy for her. These were to be used to pay for burial if the baby didn't survive childhood. The "unlucky to bring the pram home before birth" thing had its basis in commonsense ie the child might not survive to use it. The past isn't that long ago!