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dol1 · 2024-08-29T06:09:56+00:00

Dd has had the vaccine at 12 months. I’ve been watching news and there is apparently a ‘surge’ in cases now. The second vaccine for it isn’t until she’s 3… does this mean she could well get measles between now and then?

DappledThings · 29/08/2024 17:35

parkrun500club · 29/08/2024 16:21

As I've just said in my post above - girls were vaccinated against rubella at 12 - it was routine before the MMR was given.

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And younger. I got the Rubella jab in what we then called 3rd year Juniors (now Year 5 in England) at the age of 10 in 1989.

Edit - and yes it was just the girls at that point. It was explained to us about the risk being really only to unborn babies and that's why the boys weren't getting it

Walkaround · 29/08/2024 18:19

parkrun500club · 29/08/2024 16:32

But they would have been vaccinated too. Or had the illness as a child.

I had the vaccination but I also had rubella twice as a child!

I would have been very unlucky indeed to catch it while pregnant - even without the vaccination. Also my rubella immunity status was checked when I was pregnant, so presumably they would vaccinate a new mum to make sure she couldn't get it with subsequent pregnancies.

In fact, the one people should be worrying about is fifth disease or slapped cheek. That can endanger an unborn child, and I didn't even know it existed until my son was 3, when he got it, and then gave it to me. And that's precisely the sort of age when a lot of mums would be pregnant with a second, fortunately I wasn't.

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There was a huge surge of parvovirus (fifth disease/slapped cheek) cases in the UK, US and Europe this year. Once the rash shows you are no longer contagious (and it is highly contagious), so have already passed it on to all and sundry when you thought you just had a mild cold. For most people it’s a very mild virus, but is potentially dangerous to unborn babies (can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, or anaemia in the newborn, if you are unlucky) and the immunocompromised. In adults, it can also cause swollen, painful joints, similar to arthritis symptoms, which can be unpleasant. It was going round the school I work in at the end of the summer term.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 29/08/2024 20:45

curious79 · 29/08/2024 07:23

And if she does get it in all likelihood, she’ll be absolutely fine. It is immunocompromised and already unwell kids who fare badly from measles. When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.

My Mum was born in 1920s UK.
They had Measles parties.

godmum56 · 29/08/2024 21:01

veritasverity · 29/08/2024 16:55

The controversy was over the early whooping cough vaccine, which sadly resulted in brain injury to some young children. It was withdrawn from the vaccine schedule when it became obvious it wasn't safe (although a great deal of damage had been done, and it should have been withdrawn sooner, but that's for another thread).
You are right, there was no MMR in the UK in the 70s, it wasn't licensed in the UK until 1988. However the first measles vaccine was licensed for use in the late1960s after extensive trials, and was available throughout the UK (not just England and Wales) from 1970. If your parent didn't get you vaccinated, that was on them, but it was absolutely available. It was also very, very successful in almost fully eradicating the measles virus in the UK. It was a massive success story for public health and the NHS.
Godmum5 I'm sorry but you are 100% wrong with measles being mild in young children, it was and is much more dangerous to younger children (0-5), it remains a serious illness in all ages, but risks increase again after the age of 20. If you went to a measles party your parent(s) was/ were breaking the law. You had to isolate a child with measles.
You or your parent might well be confusing German measles (a different virus from measles despite its name) German measles was unpleasant but had very few complications...unless you were a pregnant, and then there was a significant risk to your unborn child. It's why boys weren't vaccinated for rubella (German measles) at 12/13 years but the girls were.
In the 90s there were a number of outbreaks of German measles among male university students, and the odd female who missed out on the vaccine.

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I did not say it was mild. I said it was BELIEVED BY SOME PEOPLE to be the best option at the time. My parents didn't agree with it so I never went to any of the "parties". I really really wish folk would read what is actually written before replying.

Garibaldhead · 29/08/2024 21:36

InWalksBarberalla · 29/08/2024 09:20

In my country the chicken pox vaccine is part of the standard free childhood vaccine program. I already think chicken pox parties are crazy.

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I know someone who lost a baby to chickenpox (baby developed meningitis) and several others that have been hospitalised with complications from it.

suki1964 · 29/08/2024 21:49

Violinist64 · 29/08/2024 17:32

Also to comment on chickenpox, which many seem to think of as a mild disease. Mostly it is, but it can be horrible for adults and some have died of it. I had it in the seventies when I was just eight. It is one of the worst illnesses I have ever had. I could not move off the settee for days and there were hardly any gaps between the spots, including all over my scalp and in my mouth. The doctor came to see me and checked that it was not smallpox as the vaccine had not taken. I was away from school for nearly a month. Thankfully I had had the measles vaccine when I was three or four.

That is my memory of it, I was proper poorly and the GP was out to me daily. Then to compound matters, I was allergic to calamine lotion, I would be screaming and crying and my parents basically holding me down to cover me with the bloody stuff and all it did was made the itching and burning worse. Think it took 3 or 4 days before the GP realised and changed the script to betnovate

I was off school for around a month as well, just lting on the sofa, curtains drawn and windows open to keep me cool. I remember mum wanting to take advantage of being home from work ( to care for me ) to get the garden sorted and me trying to "help" but it was all just too exhausting and sore . Both sisters sailed through it, a couple of days off school until the spots scabbed and that was it

Bideshi · 29/08/2024 21:53

Quodraceratops · 29/08/2024 08:27

This is dangerous nonsense. Measles can be extremely serious in ANYONE. It can cause serious neurological complications like hearing loss and rarely be fatal. Deaths in Europe are sadly increasing due to people choosing not to vaccinate.

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Child of a close friend has been left with Type 1 diabetes as a side effect of measles. She spent three weeks in hospital.
Never heard of anyone having a measles party. Ever. Madness.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2024 22:20

Daisybuttercup12345 · 29/08/2024 20:45

My Mum was born in 1920s UK.
They had Measles parties.

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My mum was born in the 1930s.

Measles parties were definitely not a thing.

FrillyKnickersAndNoFurCoat · 29/08/2024 22:43

I had measles age 5 in the late 1960s and I can clearly remember feeling exceptionally ill for days and the light hurting my eyes. There were no vaccinations for measles then. My sister was vaccinated age 1 in 1972.

FrillyKnickersAndNoFurCoat · 29/08/2024 22:54

Fraaahnces · 29/08/2024 08:53

All that bullshit publicity about MMR causing autism has been responsible for a lot of damage. Measles was virtually nonexistent and now it’s back thanks to those eejits. It’s been disproved over and over again, but they insist on “doing their own research” and going out into the community and spreading their misinformation and their germs.

I think the conspiracy theories about vaccines escalated during covid too.

suki1964 · 29/08/2024 22:57

And as for the person who stated earlier up thread there were polio parties, The Israelis have called a ceasefire so that the Polio vaccinations can take place as a Palestinian child has tested positive. If that doesnt show how bloody serious it is, nothing will

Polio Parties my arse

I can also remember mid 70's having the mobile vaccination van at our school and us being tested for TB immunisation as a family of one of our year had returned from abroad with it

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2024 23:02

I remember having the Heaf test at school to check for TB immunity - must have been late 70s.

FrillyKnickersAndNoFurCoat · 29/08/2024 23:46

DD2 had to have the TB vaccine in 2004 because a staff member at her nursery had TB.
DD 1 had a TB vaccination as a baby because it was offered in Ealing in 1995. We had moved to another borough before we had DD2.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 29/08/2024 23:51

LynetteScavo · 29/08/2024 07:34

Which country and decade was this?

I've never, ever met a parent who wanted to expose their child to measles, even those who chose not to vaccinate.

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Manchester 1950s and 60s very common thing to do. Every kid in my household and neighbours got all the common illnesses ( except whooping cough, think maybe only one sibling had that) I never caught any of them no matter how much my mother said “ over the road quick they’ve got …….”
I had to have a TB vaccination just after birth. Apparently couldn’t leave hospital without it as my parents lived with my paternal grandmother and she had someone else living the house ( no idea who ) who had TB. Honestly, it sounds like the Dark Ages doesn’t it?

Gogogo12345 · 30/08/2024 08:05

FrillyKnickersAndNoFurCoat · 29/08/2024 23:46

DD2 had to have the TB vaccine in 2004 because a staff member at her nursery had TB.
DD 1 had a TB vaccination as a baby because it was offered in Ealing in 1995. We had moved to another borough before we had DD2.

When DD1 was born only the Asian babies were given TB injections. DD2 born 3 years later all babies given TB injections. This was in London. DS born 10 years later no TB injection but not in London by that time

Rosscameasdoody · 30/08/2024 08:09

suki1964 · 29/08/2024 22:57

And as for the person who stated earlier up thread there were polio parties, The Israelis have called a ceasefire so that the Polio vaccinations can take place as a Palestinian child has tested positive. If that doesnt show how bloody serious it is, nothing will

Polio Parties my arse

I can also remember mid 70's having the mobile vaccination van at our school and us being tested for TB immunisation as a family of one of our year had returned from abroad with it

Yeah - much easier to take a kid to a ‘polio party’ and deal with the lifetime of disability it will cause than take them for a simple vaccine !!

parkrun500club · 30/08/2024 08:15

Gogogo12345 · 29/08/2024 16:40

Really? what uk country was that. My brothers and werewere boorn71, 73 and 74 and all had measles jabs. The single ones

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England - they definitely weren't available in my area.

I got measles in the late 70s, so it wouldn't have been worth having the vaccine after that (although I was still vaccinated against rubella when I was 12 despite having had it twice). I got all the childhood illnesses out the way before I was 7!

Other than slapped cheek which I got at 34!

parkrun500club · 30/08/2024 08:18

Walkaround · 29/08/2024 18:19

There was a huge surge of parvovirus (fifth disease/slapped cheek) cases in the UK, US and Europe this year. Once the rash shows you are no longer contagious (and it is highly contagious), so have already passed it on to all and sundry when you thought you just had a mild cold. For most people it’s a very mild virus, but is potentially dangerous to unborn babies (can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, or anaemia in the newborn, if you are unlucky) and the immunocompromised. In adults, it can also cause swollen, painful joints, similar to arthritis symptoms, which can be unpleasant. It was going round the school I work in at the end of the summer term.

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That is interesting. It was quite horrible, I had the arthritic symptoms. Fortunately they only lasted about a week but I read at the time that they can last up to a year!

parkrun500club · 30/08/2024 08:25

veritasverity · 29/08/2024 16:55

The controversy was over the early whooping cough vaccine, which sadly resulted in brain injury to some young children. It was withdrawn from the vaccine schedule when it became obvious it wasn't safe (although a great deal of damage had been done, and it should have been withdrawn sooner, but that's for another thread).
You are right, there was no MMR in the UK in the 70s, it wasn't licensed in the UK until 1988. However the first measles vaccine was licensed for use in the late1960s after extensive trials, and was available throughout the UK (not just England and Wales) from 1970. If your parent didn't get you vaccinated, that was on them, but it was absolutely available. It was also very, very successful in almost fully eradicating the measles virus in the UK. It was a massive success story for public health and the NHS.
Godmum5 I'm sorry but you are 100% wrong with measles being mild in young children, it was and is much more dangerous to younger children (0-5), it remains a serious illness in all ages, but risks increase again after the age of 20. If you went to a measles party your parent(s) was/ were breaking the law. You had to isolate a child with measles.
You or your parent might well be confusing German measles (a different virus from measles despite its name) German measles was unpleasant but had very few complications...unless you were a pregnant, and then there was a significant risk to your unborn child. It's why boys weren't vaccinated for rubella (German measles) at 12/13 years but the girls were.
In the 90s there were a number of outbreaks of German measles among male university students, and the odd female who missed out on the vaccine.

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I checked and the measles vaccine was withdrawn in Japan in the early 90s, it wasn't the whooping cough vaccine.

And the controversy about the MMR DID pre-date Wakefield, because I am old enough to remember it in the late 90s before he came along. He was really just trying to prove what some parents erroneously thought, it wasn't a new idea that he came up with by himself.

The controversy about the whooping cough vaccine was separate and earlier. A lot of kids in my primary school had whooping cough so I assume quite a few of them weren't vaccinated because of it.

I don't know why I didn't have the measles vaccine if it was available but I mentioned that my aunt had problems with her eyesight after having measles so my mum wouldn't have taken any chances.

curious79 · 30/08/2024 09:06

Arrivapercy · 29/08/2024 07:47

When I was growing up our parents would literally take us to peoples houses when they had measles so we could all catch it and be done with it.

I think you are confusing measles with chicken pox ("pox parties" etc). I don't think anyone has ever tried to knowingly expose their child to measles.

Nope…. UK… measles

bruffin · 30/08/2024 09:10

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This shows a link to vaccination rates, MMR was steadily climbing until 1998 when Wakefield made his statement. Even Whooping cough vaccination had recovered from the 70s scare.

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curious79 · 30/08/2024 09:18

There are lots of good books on this now and they are well researched, science based. Robert F Kennedy Junior has published Vax-Unvax: let the science speak for itself. This shows incontrovertibly in developed countries unvaccinated children have better long term health outcomes.
All I see on this post is people churning out the usual fear mongering shit about not having vaccines and none of the balance around the risks when you do. A lot of the measles outbreaks are amongst highly vaccinated populations. Similarly whooping cough.
Before you rush to rage against this message based on trotting out the standard NHS line, do some blinking research. Look at the payouts big pharma have been hit with for vaccine injury, look at the health crisis amongst children. I directly know 3 severely vaccine injured girls from HPV vax alone (POTS, lupus).

SabrinaThwaite · 30/08/2024 09:18

And the controversy about the MMR DID pre-date Wakefield, because I am old enough to remember it in the late 90s before he came along. He was really just trying to prove what some parents erroneously thought, it wasn't a new idea that he came up with by himself.

It was Wakefield who came up with the debunked theory that the MMR and autism were linked in 1998, based on falsified research.

Nothing to do with him having serious financial interests in selling tests of course.

Little wonder he was struck off.

SabrinaThwaite · 30/08/2024 09:30

A lot of the measles outbreaks are amongst highly vaccinated populations.

No they aren’t.

Measles outbreaks are in unvaccinated or under-vaccinated populations.

Unless you think you know better than WHO.

bruffin · 30/08/2024 09:37

"There are lots of good books on this now and they are well researched, science based. Robert F Kennedy Junior has published Vax-Unvax: let the science speak for itself. "

are you being serious! Rfk is notorios for just peddling antivax tropes , not much science involved.
It was written with Brian Hooker who was totally discredited over his mmr claims.