to honestley wonder, why have children if you WANT to work fulltime and are not prepared to make ANY sacrifices?

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i don't mean parents that HAVE to work to provide.

i mean the ones that choose to for no other reason, other than they enjoy their job so much.
if you enjoy your job so much, thats great.
but what i really do not understand is why have children?
no one makes any of these parents have children, you can go though life without having children.

this is 100% genuine question, i just do not get it.

H - How soon after you had them did you go back to work? Just interested, I'm not picking on you but you seem to just make a point and leave without getting involved in goats entrails or bashing of each side (which is great!)

I am a working mum, although I was a SAHM for almost five years. I work as I am the main breadwinner now although we survived for a long time on dp wage so I suppose I may come underyour category of not needing to work.

I work because I want to and dd is happy with that decision, she likes it that I work she is proud of me. I do get twinges of guilt as I know I work to hard and that at times I have to put the children I teach before my dd. Dp and I have spoken about this and if I get a further promotion he would stay at home or work on a very part time or free lance basis so he could give dd more time.

OH HELL NO Franca, it's not just women!

I would not have any more children though unless we could afford for dp to stay at home.

motherhood should be cherished though.

there are so many people out there, who think motherhood is demeaning and children annoying. it is a sad factor of today's society.

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Also, don't SAHMs and WOTH mums all make sacrifices? Some don't get as much time as they'd like with their kids, others don't get as much income as they'd like to spend on their kids.

Blimey there are some daft bints on this thread.

(Have exhausted myself on the other one, can't be bothered to go over it again, what with, you know, having a full time job and all that)

I have been involved in goats entrails on such threads as this before you know

I didnt work with first child till he was 3 then worked full time till second child several years later. Went back when 2nd child was 5 months old, full time at first then part time for a couple of years now full time since last sept and will continue full time now for ever.
I do long hours now with my promotion so usually home about 6.30-7.

I didn't mean it like that MrsMattie. I'm a sahp as well, for reasons that aren't all linked to me being a parent. I don't know. I think that my friends who work long hrs, wake up early to take their dc to nursery, have to do the house shopping, come home late, supervise the children's homeworks etc. They make more sacrifices than me.

I never NEVER post on these bunfights threads but it is such a farkin stupid question I'm going to.

And all I can say is

Xenia!
Xenia!
Xenia!

Where is she?

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my SIL works full time (7.30am til 7.30pm) and then gives her mum the baby on a Saturday so she can go to the hairdresser/shop etc. She is on a course this week 3 hours drive away from her DS. I must admit I do sometimes wonder at that.... They are not hard up....

Children can be VERY annoying and some of the tedium of motherhood can feel demeaning to be honest. WHen you start using the word 'cherish' it just conjours up images of making jam and children covered in flour, romping in the garden with scruff their beloved dog etc etc and that's just not real life for 95% of the population.

Ah - was just getting my box out to climb up on my high horse and spotted the "don't mean parents who HAVE to work" bit
Have put horse & box away for another day

milkgoddess, do you have teddies on your bed, perchance?

But (not wanting to sound like Xenia) women have always worked.

Sometimes they worked outside the home and sometimes they did work at home (but obviously couldn't care for the children at the same time).

My mum was a SAHM and I work full-time. I spend more time with my children and take a greater interest in their interests and education than she ever did.

Xenia quick close that deal, sop couting your money, leave alone those private school legaue tables, say goodbye to the island you are needed hear!

Methinks that she has pristine net curtains (Daz-ed once a week) that twitches a lot@Monkeybird

Completely agree Franca on the huge sacrifices that some WOHMs make.

i just think too many parents have fell for the you can have it all line spouted by the goverment.

you can do both. of course you can. but you can't really give both work and dc 100% if your simply not there.
its not rocket science.

i just wish more people would accept they actually do not want children or that their lifestyle is not suitable for having children.

personally i think its horrible for babies to be in nurseries from say 8am til 6pm from as young as 6 weeks.
everyday, just because the parents enjoy their jobs so much.
i truely do.
and if you don't well, im glad im not you.

Staying at home with your children isn't all about cherishing moments. It's hard work.

stop counting, you see I stop working for a fortnight and I loose the ability to type!

The other reasons why I work include for my pension, financial security, the knowledge I can support myself and the kids, pay huge mortage on my own wage etc.

Hercules - so you weren't a drop in nursery at 12 weeks never to be seen again until weekends or holidays then? I think you don't qualify to be bashed by OP, what a relief eh?!