Has the left now met the right, shaken hands with it then stuck 2 fingers up at the general population?

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Womens rights are an area the globe seems to struggle with. Afghanistan has decided women must be covered head to toe, including hands, in thick black fabric and cannot be allowed near men. Australia has decided men must be allowed in women's spaces or face being taken to court for large sums of money, making it all but illegal now to have women only spaces there. Why does the world hate women so much?

The presence of testes means that person is male. They were incorrectly registered as female at birth.

If their body progressed the testosterone produced by their testes, they would have gone through normal male puberty.

1.7% of population worldwide born with intersex traits. Hardly rare.

So the presence of a womb and no external genitalia meant nothing?

1.7 includes women with PCOS much to their disgust and men with tiny differences like a wonky foreskin or a hypospadius - things that need no treatment at all.

DSDs proper are rare. Despite how often they seem to appear in athletes.

Nope. This is extremely misleading.

The specific condition you're describing is incredibly rare. The 1.7% refers to a wide range of DSDs, the vast majority of which there is absolutely zero ambiguity around what sex people are and definitely no 'mixed sex organs'

It means a complex and rare DSD.

But the presence of a womb does not make someone female. A body set up to produce eggs does.

It means that as an infant, the person was likely incorrectly identified as female.

The presence of testes is the only important body part for the correct sexing of that person.

It means the person deserves empathy but it is also important to correctly state their situation. Particularly if they went through male puberty because they had testes and processed testosterone.

They were not a ‘female to male’ trans person. They were a male person incorrectly registered as a female person.

You really need to do research on this before posting so confidently.

The true figure is 0.018%

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/intersex-is-not-as-common-as-red?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

I'll go by the NHS definition thank you. They don't seem to mention foreskin issues in their description. Todays Dr's have far more access to diagnostic tools that obviously weren't available 10 or 20 plus years ago. Being incorrectly sexed at birth (which is what I said in the original post on this topic) does happen.

Of course it is rare but not incredibly so. The percentage you quote as a fraction is 18 out of 1000. So in a town of say 50,000 people. There will be 90 with just that particular DSD.

no. 9 in 50,000 births that may require further investigation to ascertain the correct sex category. Still, they are male or female by genotype. And a fraction of those might not experience any virilisation at puberty if they are male.

Firstly, I think you have your maths wrong.

Secondly, no this figure does not refer to the simply DSD you are talking about. There are a number of DSDs where there is a degree of ambiguity about sexual organs at birth - that's what the 0.018% refers to. In the vast majority of those cases, this is easily diagnosed and clarified. The specific disorder you are talking about is much, much rarer than that.

Just checked, it’s one in 4,500 babies in the uk

Honestly I’m not sure why you’re making that the linchpin of your argument, as it’s very unusual and really not relevant. In the uk, the chances of anyone being raised as the wrong sex as a result of DSD are very slim.

“Being incorrectly sexed at birth (which is what I said in the original post on this topic) does happen”

That does not make them ‘trans’ of course. Of those with DSDs, it has been found that the incidence of having a transgender identity is similar as to the rest of the population.

A male person who was incorrectly registered as female at birth but now is living as a male person has not transitioned. They have chosen to live as their genotypical and likely phenotypical sex. They might choose any one of the other 130+ gender identities. But that move from incorrect registration of female to male is not them adopting a transgender identity as such.

Your link includes conditions which are specific to either males or females, like Klinefelters (which occurs in males).

Are men with Klinefelters in some way not male?

I'm not being snarky but I'm honestly not clear what your argument is about DSDs.

(Completely outside of the trans argument, obviously - I'm talking about sex, not gender).