To think the world has gone fucking mad

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po

I don't think the groups supporting these extreme rights demands understand just how angry women are getting. I was very surprised just how many of my friends, who I have not discussed these issues with before, have voiced anger at the boxers who were fighting female boxers in the Olympics.

Women are angry at being told that there are male people who qualify as being women despite having bodies that produce and process testosterone from their Testes.

Essentially, when women now see statements like 'my testicles don't make me less of a woman', there are far fewer women believing this and rejecting it outright as gaslighting.

https://x.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1721896581396607132

Their conduct in court.

I disagree. Do you or do you not think this male person should be taking a woman to court to have access to what was set up as a female single sex space so that female people could confidently meet up and feel safe or have discussions knowing it was only female people?

It is the point.

Sex is not interchangeable. It’s a biological fact. Disturbing that a judge would think case law can change that.

Please. Be specific. What did Sal Grover do that was problematic in your eyes?

Basing laws on patent falsehoods is never going to end well. If the law says sex can be changed, the law is nonsense.
In the UK, we need to repeal the Gender Recognition Act.

Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, this particular judge had his hands tied somewhat as Australian law currently states that sex CAN be changed, and that gender and sex are both equal and valid.

Obviously that's utter bollocks as sex is immutable but for some incomprehensible reason, Australian currently states the opposite.

I don't think the judge was particularly sympathetic to Giggle, but even if he had been, I'm not sure how much he could have done. AFAIK a judge at his level can't make a ruling because he dislikes a law personally - so if Australian law allows men to be women on equal terms, he basically had no choice but to rule that.

Sall knew this ruling was coming - it's the next legal arguments and appeals that will matter. Essentially this case needs to peak Australia to change/redefine its laws because this case proves that as it stands, no one of either sex can create a single sex space for any reason.

Sadly this was expected and is unsurprising, because of CEDAW, which Australia imported into law wholesale this is definitely important internationally.

Sal Grover has said all along she will appeal this to rhe higher court.

Unbelievably Roxane Tickle was funded and supported to the tune of AUS$50k by the Australian Human Rights Sex Discrimination Commissioner who also appointed themselves as a “friend of the court” meaning they advised court. Hardly unbiased.

Fucking unbelievable.

I think it was this one https://www.feministcurrent.com/2022/11/06/sall-grover-wanted-to-create-a-female-only-app-she-didnt-know-that-would-make-her-a-target/

Dating apps won't allow lesbians to specify they aren't interested in male lesbians. Basically on apps like Hinge any lesbian's suggested matches are filled with porn addled incel males hoping to get some lesbian action. Many gay men are equally unimpressed by women who identify as men claiming they are gay men. Also in some friend groups gays and lesbians are being pressured to give trans identified men and women a chance. They're called transphobic if they say they're not interested. It's a shocking breach of boundaries for people who are same sex attracted.

This verdict is terrifying for women.

i feel these a lot of these men are just incels trying to infiltrate women’s spaces and infringe on our rights and “take us down from the inside” IYSWIM.

No women anywhere in the world have campaigned for men to share spaces where they undress, shower, sleep or use the toilet. This is a male imposed ideology that has determined that confused men will be allowed to use all these spaces and women will put up and shut up. All our male dominated institutions and some led by privileged women have colluded and agreed.

All these hard won rights that women before us fought so hard for, removed in an instant.

Male entitlement. Thought Australia had more sense. Bloody raging here. "Been a woman since 2017". Aye so you have .🤔

Not my eyes; those of the Judge.

No: it's almost impossible to repeal a law. What we need to do is strengthen the Equality Act here in the UK to make it clear that 'sex' means biological sex and that people can't change biological sex and that it's lawful for women to expect single-sex spaces to be free from men who say they are women.

This video features Akua Reindorf of the EHRC, Maya Forstater and Helen Joyce. It offers a blueprint for what we have to do here in the UK to sort out this almighty mess. All of them agree that repealing the GRA is impossible and will waste a million women hours to no great effect:

what is your point? Don't be so cryptic

Whether they're male or not was, I guess, a question for the court.

It's up to the Judge to decide whether a claimant/plaintiff's case is one that should or should not be brought and if so whether it should succeed.

what did Sal Grover do in court that didn't cover her in glory?

Let me guess: she didn't refer to that hulking bloke as "miss"?

I suggest you start being specific and stop being disingenuous. What was the "problem" with Sall Grover's conduct in court according to the judge?

You may answer in more than one sentence this time.

No. The question was for you to answer. From your perspective.

Do you or do you not think this male person should be taking a woman to court to have access to what was set up as a female single sex space so that female people could confidently meet up and feel safe or have discussions knowing it was only female people?

Because regardless of whether the law allowed it or not, it is actually a moral choice for a male person to make. Do they respect female single sex spaces or not, even if the law allows access?

It'll be coming our way at some point...

Gosh, I remember a time only a year or two ago when extreme transgender activists on this board would tell posters that if they didn't believe that 'transwomen were women' and if they rejected male people with transgender identities accessing single sex spaces and sports that they were most definitely the 'minority' and that they were dinosaurs who would die out soon.

Over and over we were told this. Despite the fact that polling in the UK of the general population never actually supported these claims. But we were told to STFU.

It was never true yet enough media and celebrity attention made people think it was so that they could freely censure others. I am glad that time is fucking over.

Roxanne Tickle?

Let me guess, a lot of porn use precededed this "transistion"

I think Bromptotoo is scolding Sal for not being respectful enough of Tickle’s pronouns.

it’s unbecoming of women to tell the truth don’t ya know!

Unless the Equality Act is amended to clarify that Sex means biological sex rather than legal sex, it most certainly is.

Or the GRA is repealed.

So depressing.