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Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 15:33

Gowlett · 23/08/2024 15:14

Would they also want periods, menopause. Birth, even.
Plus the rest of the 💩 that comes with being a woman.

The answer to that is yes. Yes they do.

Have you missed the males with transgender identities posting their period pain and PMT videos on social media? They even have videos where they share recipes for ice blocks with a blood simulation that they insert into their anus or the cavity that they have had implanted into their body to melt and simulate a period. And that does not even include the sex fetishists who get used period products.

There are males out there that have declared that they are in menopause too. Or they get euphoric by receiving menopause check up invites (or Pap smears etc) and they publicly share this.

And there already have been male people who have simulated pregnancies, joined pregnancy forums and support groups and then simulated the delivery of a stillborn infant. And joined the still born infant support groups. There is constant discussion about when male people will be able to have implanted uteruses so they can experience pregnancy. AND get abortions as one very prominent male with a transgender identity publicly fantasised about.

Plus there are a growing number of male people who feed babies an untested secretion from their breasts. There has NEVER been a full and comprehensive test on the contents of that secretion for cross drug interactions. And as there is no receptors and the endocrine system is not set up to support the interaction between infant and that male person, there is no way the body is able to modify what is being fed either. In other words, this activity is purely based around the male person's desires and not about the infant's needs at all.

Once you see all this, it is very hard to unsee what is happening and what some groups are attempting to normalise. What is important however, is that it is an extreme sub group who do this. Not all males with transgender identities.

GustyFinknottle · 23/08/2024 15:34

LostGardens · 23/08/2024 15:22

When Tickle’s lawyer Georgina Costello KC cross examined Grover, she said:
“Even where a person who was assigned male at birth transitions to a woman by having surgery, hormones, gets rid of facial hair, undergoes facial reconstruction, grows their hair long, wears make up, wears female clothes, describes themselves as a woman, introduces themselves as a woman, uses female changing rooms, changes their birth certificate – you don’t accept that is a woman?”
“No”, Grover replied.

I’m so disturbed this is something an actual qualified lawyer is asking in an official capacity. In what way does any of those things make you a woman?

Where have you been during all the trials and tribunals we've been through here in the UK — Maya Forstater, Allison Bailey, Lizzy Pitt, Jo Phoenix, Raquel Rosario Sanchez, Rob Adams and others — where these kind of questions have been put to women in British employment tribunals? Allison Bailey's case was the most troubling. She was a barrister working in chambers where fellow barristers believed that if a man says he's a woman, or a woman says she's a man, they are what they say they are — no matter what anyone else thinks.

Daltonbear1 · 23/08/2024 15:34

Imustgoforarun · 23/08/2024 14:12

If I was a lesbian I would now not trust that dating app so they would lose my custom. Such a good idea but as usual we must bow to men’s feelings.

That makes absolutely no sense at all no one is forcing anyone to date them. As a lesbian if you meet someone if they are not attracted to you you can say oh sorry not my type so nothing bloody changes not really in reality

YellowAsteroid · 23/08/2024 15:37

Thing is, he can bully his way into the app, but no-one will engage with him or add him to their giggle-groups.

MagpiePi · 23/08/2024 15:39

Tickle said the ruling "shows that all women are protected from discrimination" and that she hoped the case would be "healing for trans and gender diverse people".

Tickle doesn't actually care about women or whether they face discrmination. Tickle only cares about destroying women's spaces because a woman said he wasn't allowed into one.

Meadowwild · 23/08/2024 15:40

autumnisme · 23/08/2024 14:59

It's so disappointing and absolutely blows my mind that an actual judge can come to this conclusion. Scary times ahead in Aus

Great, wise, philosophically schooled men used to argue whether women had souls (they ruled we don't, obv). It doesn't surprise me at all that a male judge has decreed that biological sex is fluid and non-binary. It supports the fundamental drive too many men posses, to crush female spirit at all costs and prove dominance over it, to silence female voices, prevent female gatherings, rip away any boundaries that keep them out.

I genuinely think this stems from jealousy that we give birth, they don't. Imagine not knowing where babies come from - the time gap between sexual intercourse and birth is too vast to connect them at first. But they witness that some people grow humans inside them and push them out and feed them. What an unbelievable superpower. And to have total control over that tiny human's life by feeding it. And to know irrevocably that tiny human is yours because it came from your body. The ones who don't and can't demonstrate that superpower realise they have tender little dangles of urgent flesh between their legs and stronger bodies instead. Pretty rubbish consolation prizes but they have to make the most of them. So they use their strength to control, and they create religions in which actually, life was first created by a superpower who looks and is like them, not us.

soupycustard · 23/08/2024 15:41

Yanbu.
If biological males can be termed 'women', then sex-based rights are completely meaningless. The interlink between TRAs and incels is becoming clearer by the day
It's clever really. A patriarchal world finds itself having to give those damn wimmin 'rights'. It goes further and further, until males find another way to impose their wants and desires. And this time, instead of being termed sexist, they're celebrated and nurtured as the most vulnerable and victimised of any group.
All credit to the patriarchy. They're playing a blinder.

23Shadows · 23/08/2024 15:45

And this time, instead of being termed sexist, they're celebrated and nurtured as the most vulnerable and victimised of any group.

To think the world has gone fucking mad
qwertyasdfgzxcv · 23/08/2024 15:48

Th judge made a mistake.

I'm shocked that people are allowed to change their birth certificate. There is no objective truth anymore.

Helleofabore · 23/08/2024 15:49

Here is one of the latest videos featuring Helen Joyce where she goes through the many arguments we see supporting the belief that male people can be women.

GustyFinknottle · 23/08/2024 15:49

Daltonbear1 · 23/08/2024 15:34

That makes absolutely no sense at all no one is forcing anyone to date them. As a lesbian if you meet someone if they are not attracted to you you can say oh sorry not my type so nothing bloody changes not really in reality

Nancy Kelley, former head of Stonewall, wrote that lesbians who refuse to have relationships/ sex with transwomen with penises were 'sexual racists'. Stonewall used to be a champion for lesbians and gay men. Now it tells same-sex attracted people to shut up and have, effectively, straight sex in order to 'be kind'.

unherd.com/newsroom/qc-compares-lesbians-refusing-sex-with-transwomen-to-apartheid/

Wheresthebeach · 23/08/2024 15:49

Misogyny rules.

reesewithoutaspoon · 23/08/2024 15:50

Surely this is winnable on appeal. Its easily provable that sex is binary. Unless they have evidence of a person actually changing their biological sex and not just being mis sexed at birth due to a DSD. We are humans, we arent clownfish

Backtothedungeon · 23/08/2024 15:55

sex is “changeable and not necessarily binary" so we are now basing legal rulings on flat out lies. Truly bizarre and frankly terrifying!

Beowulfa · 23/08/2024 16:01

Australia thinks it's being all progressive and inclusive, but by denying women sex-based rights it's actually aligning itself with the Taliban.

legalalien · 23/08/2024 16:01

Demented101 · 23/08/2024 15:29

I'm not here to defend that judge but the ruling was probably made on points of law. The farce is that laws have been passed that conflate sex with gender. This case just illustrates what a farce it is. As was said above birth certs, passports used to mean something but can now be changed based on feelings. Its a joke...

Agree with this. I only read part of the judgment on the early hours of this morning when it first came out but the main point is about whether the federal legislation that creates the confusion/ outcome is constitutional or not. I’ll aim to read later and jot down the legal logic if someone else doesn’t get there first.

autumnisme · 23/08/2024 16:02

@Meadowwild I see where you are coming from. I often wonder if it's because some (not all) men like 'Roxy Tickle' have no way of asserting dominance/control over women so decide they will now become us and take the power of our sex away.

I really hope the appeal is successful, if this ruling stands in Supreme Court, we as women are in deep shit!

SmallTownWay · 23/08/2024 16:02

Disgraceful. Another man who feels entitled to invade women's spaces.

He's a bloke and always will be. As well as having the chromosomes to prove it, he has the male entitlement as well.

TheaBrandt · 23/08/2024 16:03

Looking forward to the “courts”
next verdict - that the earth is flat perhaps? Or
that gravity does not exist?

Brefugee · 23/08/2024 16:04

reesewithoutaspoon · 23/08/2024 15:50

Surely this is winnable on appeal. Its easily provable that sex is binary. Unless they have evidence of a person actually changing their biological sex and not just being mis sexed at birth due to a DSD. We are humans, we arent clownfish

as i understand it, this ruling was inevitable based on Australian law.
What will be key, and it was always going to be this way, is how the appeal ends. And what happens after that.

So the day after we hear that Afghan women are to be effectively imprisoned in their homes, in Australia women as a sex no longer exist. I don't know why those silly women in Afghanistan don't just identify out of their oppression.

To think the world has gone fucking mad
HansHolbein · 23/08/2024 16:04

Another man having a strop.

HFJ · 23/08/2024 16:05

EasternStandard · 23/08/2024 14:14

consistently found sex is “changeable and not necessarily binary”

I mean we really are in trouble with this, from a judge

Yup, if every cell contains a Y chromosome, then the person will be male (sex).

SensibleSigma · 23/08/2024 16:06

What’s that Mr Menno song, ‘if a guy’s got a Y he’s a guy!’?

At the moment, 36 people think you are being unreasonable. I think it’s a pretty good way of estimating how many TRAs are on the site, as I’m pretty sure the bat signal is sent up and people are corralled to vote.

StopTheWorld1WantToGetOff · 23/08/2024 16:06

"But Justice Robert Bromwich said in his decision on Friday that case law has consistently found sex is “changeable and not necessarily binary”, "

Sorry, wtf?!? So you can argue any old shit in court and they can decide what they want and completely disregard scientific fact? The world certainly has gone fucking mad OP.