To think the world has gone fucking mad

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po

And before anyone wants to shame any person on this thread for correctly sexing this male person who has now shown the world just how harmful such an ideological view can be when laws are formed where 'gender' is placed at the same priority to sex please understand that no one has to comply to your philosophical belief.

And we have recently been shown just how meaningless the language that some people demand is and how it IS based on philosophical belief. Why?

Because to be a person with a transgender identity is not based on having gender dysphoria. We have been told this now by professional academics as well as trans people themselves.

Therefore the only commonality for people with transgender identities is that their philosophical belief. Meaning no one needs to comply with another persons philosophical belief. No one. No matter how kind or respectful that person who is trying to shame you into complying tells you that it is to use the preferred language, it is someone who is demanding that you support their own philosophical belief.

You are totally free to choose to base your own language on using the sometimes centuries old established meanings of words and the established protocols of language that are based around sex. Not someone's identity.

And secondly, the situation with the male boxers has shown us that the word 'cis' is also meaningless and based on someone's philosophical belief..

In fact, because we were reminded that 'cis' means any person 'assigned' female at birth, this also includes those male people who have been incorrectly registered as female. And I am talking about the male people who have differences of sex development where their bodies are capable of processing the testosterone that their testes produce.

What this means is that there is now no words to describe a unique group of female people that reliably means just those female people, either pre or post puberty, who have bodies that are female sexed.

Cis is a meaningless word. Using preferred language around describing someone is based on someone else's demand to believe in their philosophical belief. It is purely up to you.

What you don't get to do, is to shame others for not supporting your belief if they do not choose to.

For someone who wants to be recognised as a women they are behaving very much like a man - feeling entitled to women’s space!

Would they also want periods, menopause. Birth, even.
Plus the rest of the 💩 that comes with being a woman.

Actually that's not a bad idea.

All Women should invade the " safe spaces " of trans cos ...we "feel " non binary.

There will always be some.

It’s unbelievable that birth certificates can be changed. What’s the point of a birth certificate if it can be altered at a later date?

I suspect that most of them are the new sort of woman as defined by Mr Gervais.

Blatantly a ruling based on fear from the judge. He's in a no-win situation.

This.

"Preferred pronouns" implies that there is an element of choice, that someone can subjectively decide whether they are male or female.

You are pretending that there is no such thing as objective reality.

And in doing so, you are depriving the majority of people who do believe in objective reality of the vocabulary to clearly describe and discuss that objective reality.

I remember when Australia allowed the first 'X' in the passport for a non-binary person back in 2011. I was listening to it on the local news thinking, what the fuck. How can someone not have a registered sex in their passport. Little did I know then.

If you're afraid to make the right decision for fear of upsetting a bunch of lunatics then maybe being a judge isn't the right career choice for you.

It’s about as meaningful as recording star sign on your passport.

More like your favourite colour.

As did I, but it's not just common sense really, is it? It's physical reality. Sex and gender is being conflated by judges now, so I'd say common sense has pretty much left the building.

When Tickle’s lawyer Georgina Costello KC cross examined Grover, she said:
“Even where a person who was assigned male at birth transitions to a woman by having surgery, hormones, gets rid of facial hair, undergoes facial reconstruction, grows their hair long, wears make up, wears female clothes, describes themselves as a woman, introduces themselves as a woman, uses female changing rooms, changes their birth certificate – you don’t accept that is a woman?”
“No”, Grover replied.

I’m so disturbed this is something an actual qualified lawyer is asking in an official capacity. In what way does any of those things make you a woman?

No, it's less meaningful than that.

It's about as meaningful as recording your star sign on your passport if you just randomly picked a star sign rather than being allocated one based on your date of birth.

Yup. Enraging and scary. Australia you are eating yourself.

DD is gay and has been cancelled by a couple of friends/acquaintances for daring to state that she would prefer not to date someone with a penis.

My daughter, the transphobe FFS. The world has indeed gone fucking mad . . .

(She is in the fortunate position of not needing the friendships of so called open minded people, but I absolutely acknowledge how painful the division is in the LGB community)

Really disappointed in this case outcome ☹️

Hardly dispelling the stereotype of an upside down nation are they ?

I have a feeling this will be overturned at some point after an outcry and/or successful appeal. At least, I hope so. The precdent set by this ruling is very concerning.

Roxie Tickell's case was in Australia, but here in the UK it's a huge grey area as to whether women can legally form a club, society or group with a membership of more than 25 and declare it a women-only or female-only group. If there are fewer than 25 women involved, or the gathering/ event is a one-off non membership event, it would appear to be okay to enforce a female-only policy. But the Equality Act and other laws (including the Gender Recognition Act) have created a grey area that lawyers aren't sure about, in which a man who identifies as a woman may legally have the right to participate in those groups.

This effectively means that publicly advertised lesbian events have all but disappeared. First, because the minute you advertise a lesbian only or female only event the transactivists try to have it shut down because you're excluding transwomen. Secondly, because individuals or small groups of women/ lesbians who've for years organised women-only discos or cycling groups or supper clubs etc live in fear of being prosecuted and dragged through the courts for simply asserting that men aren't welcome at the lesbian or women's disco.

You may be looking at the situation in Australia and thinking that it's much better here, but it isn't really. It may not be long before you see a woman here in the UK — probably a lesbian — being prosecuted for refusing to allow a man who identifies as a woman into an event. And we all need to be aware that even here in the UK where things aren't quite so fucked-up as in Australia or Canada, it's possible that any women's group or women's event you attend will include a man who says he's a woman.

https://lgballiancecymru.wales/the-legal-defence-of-lesbian-space/

I'm not here to defend that judge but the ruling was probably made on points of law. The farce is that laws have been passed that conflate sex with gender. This case just illustrates what a farce it is. As was said above birth certs, passports used to mean something but can now be changed based on feelings. Its a joke...

There are trans specific events, organisations and groups, as there should be. There are male specific groups, organisations and events, as there should be. As a female, and who isn't trans, I wouldn't dream of forcing my way into any of these as it would be inappropriate and show complete disregard for the feelings of the members.

My wish to have female specific events, organisations and groups such as menopause support - yes, TW are elbowing their way into those now - rape crisis centres and lesbian dating apps is now apparently bigoted and exclusionary, because some predatory males hate hearing the word "no" and love intimidating women. Twenty years ago they would've told to fuck right off and the law would've supported that - now the law sides with the predatory men. What a time to be alive.

I hope Sall has the stomach to appeal this awful decision.

The blurb in the BBC on precedent in other countries is concerning I agree