To be so fucking angry. How many more women and children must die?

[Kianai]

I'd almost become numb to it, with all the news so far this year.

Murder after murder of women and their children. Noone ever seeming to link the common denominator. NAMALT.

This latest one today, I feel like something is beginning to snap inside me. Three babies and a young woman dead, because of a fucking man. Again. And again.

news.sky.com/story/police-launch-murder-investigation-after-woman-and-three-children-die-in-house-fire-in-bradford-13200678

There are more than twice as many men as women killed every year, and no, I don't hear any national outcry about it. I don't suppose you'll be interested to hear that domestic killings dropped to the lowest number since 1977 either?
I can't see any stats for men looking at women on trains though, so there's something to be outraged about. I would just ignore it to be honest, but then I am not looking for problems.

We don't, the same as no-one knew Rose West or Lucy Letby were murderers either. But it's a much more sensible approach to assume they're not, don't you think? Statistically, they are a lot less likely to be violent, hyperbolically not so much.

You do have some control over whether said sicko can suceed in raping and murdering you. Reference: attempted rape and attempted murder cases.

And who is it that's killing these men? Let me guess...

Wait, are you saying that those women who were raped and or murdered let it happen to them? They didn't resist enough?

Might be sick of it but let's face it this government isn't going to make it better. 💯

Are you fucking serious right now?

So what's your point? Are you saying these men can't be victims because they are men or that they don't matter because they are men?
Are you saying that the male victims are also violent but just not as violent as the men who killed them?
I really can't make out what the point you or the pp who triumphantly posted a link to two men being charged in the case of the house fire are trying to make.
We know men are more violent than women - the stats show this - but i don't understand the aggression, shouting down and general unpleasantness on here when it is stated - as is true -- that this does not prove that all men are violent or murderous.
I am not sure where the root of this assumption lies.

Irrelevant, because an attempted rape/murder is still a harrowing experience. You have no control over whether or not you have that experience.

Incredible what foul things people will say isn't it.

Yes, so sensible. Next time I'm out walking after dark and some man is walking too close behind me, or a car stops and a man tries to "ask for directions" I'll very sensibly assume he's a prince of a guy and take no precautions whatsoever.
Said no woman ever.

I am sure I am going to regret asking this , as most posters on here seem to be glad to get through the day without being attacked or at least been looked at funny on the tube, but I will ask it anyway.
How many times have you been followed and attacked or pulled into a car by a man asking for directions?
Because both of these examples are vanishingly rare and when they do happen, they are news.
Why are you going through life in high alert to something that is unlikely to happen? Or do you just enjoy the drama?

My point is that the problem is still male violence. There aren't many cases of women walking the streets looking for people to sexually attack and kill.
I don't live in fear, but I don't go running after dark either.

Ah yes. Not wearing dresses that show thigh... or is it knees?
Or maybe our ankles are particularly provocative?

And you're totally right. The barman who roofied me absolutely only did it because I asked him how his evening was going. Ill remember not to engage in conversation with a man making drinks again.

Gosh, I wish you had been there to inform me I had control over my sexually abusive father at 6 years old. Maube if I hadn't had the same hair colour as his sister who he also abused, I would have escaped.
Not to self... when reincarnated, dye hair ASAP.

Or how about my family friend who's husband took an axe to her head?
Silly woman for encroaching on his "man time".

If I had been wearing Spanx maybe I could have avoided the man who grabbed me at a bar and put his hand up my dress and penetrated me with his fingers.

I could go on, but at the end of the day my stories aren't uncommon with us stupid women who clearly can't stop men.

Maybe you could write a handbook to educate us on how to make sure men only "attempt" to murder, rape or assault us.

I have been followed many times, as have most of the women I know.
We have all had to duck into shops, pretend our house was down another street, get off public transport early etc.

The first time a middle aged man slowed down his car beside me walking home from school and asked me to get in I was about 11.

Out of my circle of 5 female friends only one of us hasn't been sexually assaulted or raped.
This lines up with the stats (which are said to be underrepresented anyway).

You and your friends must be incredibly lucky.

"Unlikely to happen." "Vanishingly rare." 😄

Look up rape stats and get back to us on that one, darling.

The comment about drama was despicable and a cruel taunt to anyone who has been a victim. Yet you think women are going to feel safe telling you their experiences of being attacked? Taunting people who are afraid of sexual assault as just liking drama is a new high in low on MN. Do you also accuse women of wanting to be assaulted? I'm guessing that you do, if you think you can get away with it.

If all of these things have really happened to you and your friends, you have been incredibly unlucky and are most probably a statistical quirk.
Assuming it's all true, you have my sympathy and I can see why you would be wary of men. I would be too.
However, most women do not experience even one of the traumas that you have detailed, so I see no reason why we should go through life assuming we will.

Incredibly lucky or actually a dude. Wouldn't be the first male poster to try this bullshit.

3.3% of the population was sexually assaulted in 2022. Which means 96.7% were not, darling.
I don't know about you (well, I do really) but with those stats, I would say it's fair to assume you won't be attacked rather than you will.
I'll ignore the other nonsense, as you know you have twisted what I said.

I'm sorry but I just don't think you have a realistic idea about what most women go through.

I find it extremely hard to believe that you think these things are rare. Please spend some time googling stats and keep in mind that a lot of people don't ever report the things that happen to them.

I've lived in numerous countries around the world and made friends with women from various walks of life and this was something we all typically had in common to varying degrees.

Oh please. Not that one again.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/

1 in 4 women have been raped or sexually assaulted and experts all agree these stats are vastly under reported.

You are incredibly patronising and forgetting we live for more than just one year. We have a whole lifetime to experience these things and many of us do.

I don't think we can assume we won't be attacked when just about every woman i know has been to varying degrees.

The overwhelming majority of women have experienced either sexual assault, attempted sexual assault, street sexual harassment, on the job sexual harassment, or domestic violence.
It's over 80% for sexual harassment alone FFS.
I do not think you are really as ignorant of these realities as you appear. I suspect you are a MRA actively trying to spread disinformation.

Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar and a "woman" spouting MRA propaganda really is a man.

Look up lifetime rates. Most of us do live for more than one year, you see.
Moreover, most assaults are not reported.
Then factor in attempted assaults, stalking, domestic violence and sexual harassment.

I twisted nothing. You were being deliberately cruel with that comment. That's what we both know.