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AIBU?

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To think contact time is for my ex not his parents?

119 replies

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:34

Hi I’ve posted here before and asked some other questions but NC just to make less identifiable.

My ex and I split up when I was pregnant, he was adamant didn’t want the baby, threatened suicide etc etc.

Notified when DC born, denied paternity, had to go to CMS, sporadic contact every 4-6 weeks…

When DC was around 6 months old he apologised for his behaviour and begged for another chance which I gave (blamed MH, said I was the love of his life, I know it sounds silly and I should never have given another chance given the above but it’s too late now). Not living together as a lot to work through but spoken about that if things were going well we would buy together (his idea).

Began to spend time together as a family and couple/including with his family. Holidays and trips away together. ExDp works away so I did a lot of travelling while on my maternity leave in order to facilitate the contact/our relationship.

Started to notice after a while (been almost a year) that it felt like it was myself doing all the running around, and that often when exDP had time off he was spending it doing what he wanted/with friends/going out rather than being together as a family, which felt odd.

After querying the status of the relationship he said that he didn’t consider us to be together and completely rewrote history.

I decided from that point that I would no longer be a pretend girlfriend, and would not be travelling to him/giving him sex/bringing his child to him/pretending to be a family/or sending him daily texts and photos about his child given we are not together.

I asked him which set days he would like his child but he won’t commit to anything due to working away, says “we” (him, his mum and dad) want DC on an ad hoc basis due to his work, and that I’m being really inflexible. I want stability for DC and also myself as I work full time. I don’t think it’s fair for him to rock up week by week and decide what suits him and his work. DC attends nursery locally so I can work and is very happy and settled.

ExDP now says he is taking me to court and will be asking for an ad hoc arrangement and that he will be given this due to the nature of his work. An “exception” he has called it. Apparently a solicitor has told him this. He says if it’s a no he will have set days however his parents will be having DC due to his work.

I will be speaking to a family solicitor but AIBU to think that contact time is for my ex to see DC and not his parents?

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Thunderboltandlightningveryveryfrightening · 18/08/2024 17:37

I doubt he will get an ad hoc arrangement... And the contact won't pass to his dps... Remember a solicitor will say /write /promise any old shite when he has a wallet....

BonnieBonnieBanks · 18/08/2024 17:39

Thunderboltandlightningveryveryfrightening · 18/08/2024 17:37

I doubt he will get an ad hoc arrangement... And the contact won't pass to his dps... Remember a solicitor will say /write /promise any old shite when he has a wallet....

What? No they won’t 🤨

Whothefuckdoesthat · 18/08/2024 17:43

I completely agree with you that contact is supposed to be for him, not his family. He’s trying his luck with the ad hoc thing. Stick to your guns on the set days.

However, having said that, he is clearly a shit dad. Would it be better for your DS to have a good relationship with his paternal grandparents? Assuming that they’d make more of an effort with him than he would, could you think of it as the more people he’s got in his life to love him, the better?

Thunderboltandlightningveryveryfrightening · 18/08/2024 17:43

A solicitor told my exh and took his money to write a letter to me demanding I remove my new blinds as they prevented him seeing into my home. . As I said any old shite... No judge was ever going to order I did as I was told...
No judge will order dgps have the contact time a df should be having.. Any time they have would be in his time. If he can't commit to seeing dc regularly then a judge will want to know why not. Handing over a month's work schedule in advance so a contact plan could be in place might be an acceptable course of a action here... But not as and when he cba....

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:44

Just to be clear I'm more than happy to him having contact I'm not trying to stop that, I want what is best for my DC.

I'd just want set days so I can plan and my child has stability.

I would also want to ease into the contact as he has never had DC without myself or his mum there, he has no baby equipment (his mum does).

And I'm just a bit concerned that the plan for contact seems to be for his parents to have contact on his behalf.

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SonicTheHodgeheg · 18/08/2024 17:46

He can delegate his time to his parents as making sure that dc knows his side of the family is one of his responsibilities. It’s the same as your child going to a childminder during your time.

I would push against an ad hoc arrangement - even shift workers have to give notice of weeks so that the child can make future plans like parties and seeing the resident parent’s side of the family. I don’t know what happens when parent finds out shifts with very little notice.

My older kids wouldn’t have liked ad hoc arrangement. They liked routine so that they could plan stuff on my weekends without feeling bad about missing out on something or not seeing dad.

Is your child school aged ? Does dad and his parents live close ?

RandomMess · 18/08/2024 17:46

If he does shift work there will be "fixed" contact around his shifts BUT it will still be having to give you his rota as soon as he gets it then fixing it there and then and no further changes.

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:46

Thunderboltandlightningveryveryfrightening · 18/08/2024 17:43

A solicitor told my exh and took his money to write a letter to me demanding I remove my new blinds as they prevented him seeing into my home. . As I said any old shite... No judge was ever going to order I did as I was told...
No judge will order dgps have the contact time a df should be having.. Any time they have would be in his time. If he can't commit to seeing dc regularly then a judge will want to know why not. Handing over a month's work schedule in advance so a contact plan could be in place might be an acceptable course of a action here... But not as and when he cba....

Wow, that is absolutely crazy! Unbelievable!

I was gobsmacked when my ex said he would get an exception due to his "very special" job, surely that can't be right?

I'm in a shift worker; however I've had to fight for fixed day so I can parent my child and be able to look after them due to being on my own... life has given me no special exceptions.

If he moved closer and was an active parent I'd be more than happy for 50/50 or anything else! But he lives hours away and has been unreliable.

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SonicTheHodgeheg · 18/08/2024 17:47

Do you think that his parents are good enough care givers? Do you get along with her ?

TickingAlongNicely · 18/08/2024 17:47

Does he work shifts?

I don't think you can have it both ways... if you want set days, you have to accept he will need childcare if he's working, and if his patents are involved it sounds a food solution.

I agree he sounds a lazy dad though.

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:48

RandomMess · 18/08/2024 17:46

If he does shift work there will be "fixed" contact around his shifts BUT it will still be having to give you his rota as soon as he gets it then fixing it there and then and no further changes.

He doesn't do shift work.

Let's just say he works in TV. A role in the public eye that varies week to week.

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BrooookeDavis · 18/08/2024 17:48

Contact is always about what is best for the child. Generally that is having a relationship with both parents and extended family. He will get some form of contact, you need to decide if ad-hoc is ok with you or if you'd rather a set time. They can order the set time and he can have his parents look after the child - whether you like it or not to be honest. Are they reasonable people who would care for the kid? If so it may not be a bad option. He can also have set contact but not actually have to turn up unfortunately.

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:49

SonicTheHodgeheg · 18/08/2024 17:47

Do you think that his parents are good enough care givers? Do you get along with her ?

I get along with them now okay although they were horrible when I was pregnant and I was accused of being unfaithful to him (his silly narrative).

His parents never met DC til 7 months old.

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exprecis · 18/08/2024 17:50

I think it's totally reasonable for you to want set days.

But if he has a work pattern that changes, he can only do that by using some childcare, surely? And much better for that to be his parents for a child this age

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:51

SonicTheHodgeheg · 18/08/2024 17:46

He can delegate his time to his parents as making sure that dc knows his side of the family is one of his responsibilities. It’s the same as your child going to a childminder during your time.

I would push against an ad hoc arrangement - even shift workers have to give notice of weeks so that the child can make future plans like parties and seeing the resident parent’s side of the family. I don’t know what happens when parent finds out shifts with very little notice.

My older kids wouldn’t have liked ad hoc arrangement. They liked routine so that they could plan stuff on my weekends without feeling bad about missing out on something or not seeing dad.

Is your child school aged ? Does dad and his parents live close ?

They live 1.5- 2 hours away.

My DC is settled in nursery while I work.

DC has older half siblings (from my first marriage) whom they live with and have a very close relationship with as they have been there since birth.

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RandomMess · 18/08/2024 17:52

Meh then no, fixed contact and he arranges childcare in his time.

You can ask for right of first refusal (as he can he). If he is not going to be the one looking after DC himself then you have to be offered to have them before childcare (by anyone) is used.

If his parents are happy to commit to childcare one or 2 days per week why not accept it so long as it's reliable then it's no skin off your nose.

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:52

exprecis · 18/08/2024 17:50

I think it's totally reasonable for you to want set days.

But if he has a work pattern that changes, he can only do that by using some childcare, surely? And much better for that to be his parents for a child this age

He wants every other weekend and maybe some days in the week, but his parents would be caring for DC as he isn't available due to the jobs

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harriethoyle · 18/08/2024 17:54

He won’t get ad hoc. He will be able to delegate childcare to pil, childminders etc on his own time.

BrooookeDavis · 18/08/2024 17:54

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:52

He wants every other weekend and maybe some days in the week, but his parents would be caring for DC as he isn't available due to the jobs

That's not that unreasonable. What is your issue? You can have the days ad-hoc but not overnight due to the distance if it helps?

RandomMess · 18/08/2024 17:55

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I would suggest Monday to Tuesday one week then Saturday to Monday the other so he is always covering the Monday day time.

Big caveat that is only until school age and as such 50/50 isn't appropriate due to distance.

Having a relationship with his half siblings is also important and will be recognised.

Maria1979 · 18/08/2024 17:55

Every other week-end sounds reasonable to me. With his dad or his parents. In the week no, because you have a nursery and tbh I don't think his parents will drive that far just for a day...

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:56

Sorry @BrooookeDavis so he wants as a first choice "as hoc" as in he lets me know week to week when he's available.

His second choice is everyone other weekend with his parents.

Second is better for me and DC as routine but just concerned that it's not for him but his DPs.

Wasn't sure where I would stand with that one.

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BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 18/08/2024 17:56

He will get every other weekend but I would fight against the dc going to him during the week on the grounds of consistency and looking forward to school age. He however could take the child out one evening during the week

brownbanana30 · 18/08/2024 17:57

RandomMess · 18/08/2024 17:55

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I would suggest Monday to Tuesday one week then Saturday to Monday the other so he is always covering the Monday day time.

Big caveat that is only until school age and as such 50/50 isn't appropriate due to distance.

Having a relationship with his half siblings is also important and will be recognised.

He can't and won't commit to set days every week as he lives hours away and his work schedule changes week to week.

Just to be clear I've always lived where I do with DC since ExDP and I met and I didn't move away.

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RandomMess · 18/08/2024 18:00

You can only offer set days, end of.

The CAO would be for set days.

Offer something decent and reasonable in mediation and explain that as hoc is not in DC best interests.

In all of your communication base it on what is in DC best interests and why.

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