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To feel so upset about the government censorship?

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Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:12

This has just appeared in my news feed and I feel so upset and disillusioned. I was a labour voter, thinking we voted the bad guys out but I'm now really scared about what we've let in...what on earth have we done...? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/17/education-secretary-bridget-phillipson-private-school-tax-r/

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Zonder · 19/08/2024 08:30

Marseillaise · 19/08/2024 08:13

That's the extent of your economic study?

Shops are closing because so many people are buying online, because fuel costs went up so drastically, and because High Street landlords are still unrealistic about rents. If people WFH are no longer going to restaurants and sandwich bars near their offices, they are buying more in shops and restaurants near to their homes. People aren't driving into London so much because of fuel costs, congestion charges and ULEZ, and their use of subsidised transport doesn't contribute to economic growth.

This. And it isn't just in London.

CurlewKate · 19/08/2024 08:31

@Killingoffmyflowersonebyone "Given I work in international policy," Do you?

CurlewKate · 19/08/2024 08:32

@AboveBeyond3 "In the interests of balance, try the Guardian -
and their comments section is a sight to behold…."

That's free speech for you...

Eastcoastie · 19/08/2024 09:25

Zonder · 19/08/2024 08:29

At least it was in their manifesto. Sometimes people complain about governments not sticking to the manifesto!

Thats very true but i really do feel for the children who will be affected so abruptly, to me it feels a bit unnecessary.

Izzymoon · 19/08/2024 09:28

Killingoffmyflowersonebyone · 19/08/2024 07:55

I mean it’s quite obvious if you commute into London. Lots of shops closing. Lots of empty places that used to be packed. If people aren’t spending money in these shops and aren’t going out at lunch (which most aren’t) and spending logically and they’re not spending money on transport into the office then economic growth slowing is quite obvious

So no data showing a link between wfh and economic slow down at all, just a rusty anecdote. Cool

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2024 09:31

Eastcoastie · 19/08/2024 09:25

Thats very true but i really do feel for the children who will be affected so abruptly, to me it feels a bit unnecessary.

Did the schools not factor this in and make continuity plans?

jellycatandkittens · 19/08/2024 09:32

curious79 · 19/08/2024 07:53

Anyone who is at all interested in health already knows this is happening. The censorship of anything questioning the covid vaccine narrative was horrendous, and yet now we see Pfizer on the stands in court, having lied about trial data. The HPV vaccine is associated with horrendous side effects - there are class actions in the US chasing after Merck, and Merck have already been fined many millions - yet HPV vaccine critical articles that DID exist have now completely disappeared from papers like The Guardian. You will struggle to find information on alternative approaches to healing cancer - one well known therapy devised in the 1930s can’t even be mentioned on YouTube. At least you can still slag off Labour and their stupid politics of envy policy on Mumsnet

There's plenty of anti vax stuff online. The misinformation that was allowed to spread during Covid was awful.
Why anyone suppress an alternative way of healing cancer unless it's actually bunkum and probably dangerous.

Zonder · 19/08/2024 09:33

DuncinToffee · 19/08/2024 09:31

Did the schools not factor this in and make continuity plans?

This. It also annoys me that some schools are passing the entire cost onto parents. Because of the VAT status changes they are also going to save a wodge of money by being able to claim VAT back on some things but that's not getting taken into account or used to mitigate against higher fees.

itsgettingweird · 19/08/2024 09:39

Excellent point zonder

I would imagine there no need to add to the whole 20%.

But interestingly when a truss crash out economy and private schools raised their fees in line with inflation there wasn't this level of outrage about rising costs.

And the icing on the cake for me is the fact it's only because of Brexit we can charge VAT on private education.

Funny how chickens coming home to roost is what causes dummies to be spat 🤔

jellycatandkittens · 19/08/2024 09:45

Lindos1 · 18/08/2024 20:48

I totally agree with your original post OP.
I'm currently hyperventilating my way through 1984. I'm a quarter of the way through & I hate reading it as it's hitting home a bit too much.
The Conservatives were absolutely dreadful, but this last 6 weeks have felt like a different universe.
Starmer seems very emboldened. I find it all quite frightening.

I think this is maddest response I've read on here. What on earth are you talking about?!

ChallahPlaiter · 19/08/2024 09:47

Eastcoastie · 19/08/2024 09:25

Thats very true but i really do feel for the children who will be affected so abruptly, to me it feels a bit unnecessary.

A lot more children were affected much more deeply and for much longer periods of time by the deliberate cruelty under the guise of “austerity” and “personal responsibility” meted out by the governments of 2010-24. Moving to a different school isn’t that bad compared with being cold, hungry, having to sleep on a mattress on the floor, having to study in cold crumbling classrooms and be taught by TAs and all the other appalling things normalised in recent years.
It does often feel like “personal responsibility” only applies to certain groups and not to those who chose education that they couldn’t really afford.
Nobody need reply to me with accusations about hating SEN parents; I have more experience with disability and SEN than most.

AboveBeyond3 · 19/08/2024 09:50

CurlewKate · 19/08/2024 08:32

@AboveBeyond3 "In the interests of balance, try the Guardian -
and their comments section is a sight to behold…."

That's free speech for you...

Its all relative.

Many of the comments are beyond the pale, and if a DT reader made them, you would be apoplectic.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2024 09:57

To upset working class people by effectively telling them that you get a heavier prison sentence than you do for rape (multiple instances of sentences handed out over the last few weeks being longer than some rape cases, even when there is DNA evidence).

How would we know? The backlog in trying rape cases grew so long under the last government that rape’s essentially been decriminalised. If sentencing guidelines for riot are being adhered to, what’s your problem?

SerendipityJane · 19/08/2024 09:59

Has anyone mentioned "the violence inherent in the system" yet ?

MadeleineMummy · 19/08/2024 10:05

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2024 09:57

To upset working class people by effectively telling them that you get a heavier prison sentence than you do for rape (multiple instances of sentences handed out over the last few weeks being longer than some rape cases, even when there is DNA evidence).

How would we know? The backlog in trying rape cases grew so long under the last government that rape’s essentially been decriminalised. If sentencing guidelines for riot are being adhered to, what’s your problem?

I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting, although I cannot quote any facts but. know this as a fact based on what I know and read. I am not privy to the sentencing guidelines or have deliberated in any way concerning the facts and evidence in the cases. I also don’t know whether Starmer has interrupted his holiday to intervene in every single case and adjusted or implemented legislation after a few weeks in Parliament despite the summer recess. I blame Labour for impinging the right to protest in the Tories’ Police, crime, Police, sentencing and Courts bill, which they didn’t oppose effectively.

I am going to register my outrage at this government and want them to resign.

DBSFstupid · 19/08/2024 10:09

Andante67 · 17/08/2024 21:52

The modern Left are anti-free speech. We've known this for years.

Yep.

coffeeandteav · 19/08/2024 10:09

Out local tort MP deleted negative comments all of the time. It's not new.

Crystallizedring · 19/08/2024 10:16

Utterlydisillusioned · 17/08/2024 20:23

I didn't vote for Elon Musk. I voted for people I thought were honest and had integrity. This is what they told us. They said they were different, better. This is not right.

Edited

Absolutely no politician is honest. Surely you must know that. Don't trust any of them. Please don't tell me you actually believed a word of that crap he was spouting before the election.

ChallahPlaiter · 19/08/2024 10:22

MadeleineMummy · 19/08/2024 10:05

I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting, although I cannot quote any facts but. know this as a fact based on what I know and read. I am not privy to the sentencing guidelines or have deliberated in any way concerning the facts and evidence in the cases. I also don’t know whether Starmer has interrupted his holiday to intervene in every single case and adjusted or implemented legislation after a few weeks in Parliament despite the summer recess. I blame Labour for impinging the right to protest in the Tories’ Police, crime, Police, sentencing and Courts bill, which they didn’t oppose effectively.

I am going to register my outrage at this government and want them to resign.

When have the “landed gentry” rioted? Pretty poor to claim knowledge of “facts” but not evidence when you can’t have one without the other.
The two tier sentencing theory as it relates to the recent race riots is a tacist fallacy. Like most fallacies, it has some origins in fact - historically certain groups of people have been discriminated against in the judiciary/penal system. I don’t include racists in that though.

BIossomtoes · 19/08/2024 10:31

Landed gentry rioted? When?

SerendipityJane · 19/08/2024 10:31

When have the “landed gentry” rioted?

Croissants at dawn !

SerendipityJane · 19/08/2024 10:37

I am going to register my outrage at this government and want them to resign.

Did no one ever teach you that you can't always get what you want ?

On a much more serious note, it seems there is a developing mindset in some that all they need to do is stamp their feet and they will be granted their hearts desire. And if by some chance they aren't, it's not because it's never worked that way. It's because they are being "suppressed".

So your someone thinks:
I am going to register my outrage at this government and want them to resign.

and when that doesn't happen, rather than bother to research parliamentary democracy and how it works, they just wail that "it's a conspiracy" and get together with similarly minded folk as if they have a justification for whatever it is they then plan doing.

All tactics imported directly from the US. Who needs a trade deal.

Efacsen · 19/08/2024 10:38

English Civil War? tho' that's getting to be quite a while ago

AboveBeyond3 · 19/08/2024 10:41

MadeleineMummy · 19/08/2024 10:05

I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting, although I cannot quote any facts but. know this as a fact based on what I know and read. I am not privy to the sentencing guidelines or have deliberated in any way concerning the facts and evidence in the cases. I also don’t know whether Starmer has interrupted his holiday to intervene in every single case and adjusted or implemented legislation after a few weeks in Parliament despite the summer recess. I blame Labour for impinging the right to protest in the Tories’ Police, crime, Police, sentencing and Courts bill, which they didn’t oppose effectively.

I am going to register my outrage at this government and want them to resign.

LOL!

pointythings · 19/08/2024 10:44

MadeleineMummy · 19/08/2024 10:05

I think the upper class and the landed gentry have got much shorter sentences for rioting, although I cannot quote any facts but. know this as a fact based on what I know and read. I am not privy to the sentencing guidelines or have deliberated in any way concerning the facts and evidence in the cases. I also don’t know whether Starmer has interrupted his holiday to intervene in every single case and adjusted or implemented legislation after a few weeks in Parliament despite the summer recess. I blame Labour for impinging the right to protest in the Tories’ Police, crime, Police, sentencing and Courts bill, which they didn’t oppose effectively.

I am going to register my outrage at this government and want them to resign.

I think it would be more effective to 'scweam and scweam until you're thick'.

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