To feel so upset about the government censorship?

[Utterlydisillusioned]

This has just appeared in my news feed and I feel so upset and disillusioned. I was a labour voter, thinking we voted the bad guys out but I'm now really scared about what we've let in...what on earth have we done...? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/08/17/education-secretary-bridget-phillipson-private-school-tax-r/

@AboveBeyond3 "What, the bloke who threatened some throat-cutting in a crowd and on social media?"

The guy who was arrested and charged?

I dont think so because the email responses that are being posted on the group by those who are emailing their mp's are no better. The replies, by those who are receiving them, are not addressing any of the concerns.

A stock response is better than I've ever got from Braverman - she never even responds!

So anyone who isn't a left wing idealist was out there trashing town centres and stealing things?

Do you think people who go around ruining others lives have a valid point of view? I think you may be in a very small minority

Not getting the answer you want - or indeed any answer at all - isn't someone taking away your right to free speech. It's just someone who can't be bothered (for whatever reason) to listen to you.

But nobody prevented you from asking a question/speaking?

There's nothing concrete in that article. It's just a load of "could" . Plus it even says the Tories have been bad for free speech. It was written before the election.

Can you find any evidence of anyone getting charged for writing something that was critical of immigration rather than inviting violence? If so I agree it's very concerning. But I suspect you are lying through your teeth!

@lubl I've read the Spectator article you linked to. Are you saying that Laurence Fox and Dan Wooton should have been free to say what they did about Ava Evans
without sanction?

Sure, but they’re still receiving responses. I think that was what the op was upset about in the first place. Those who assumed social media was the best place to have their say on issues that affect them had discovered that they were likely to be ignored and their comments removed, having been made on an inappropriate platform for the type of response they wanted.

Surely the issue here isn't censorship, but rather that if you want to raise an issue with the government in this country you do it through your own MP, not with the minister concerned. I would imagine that this is the reason that the messages were deleted.

So your contention is that if events had gone in a totally different way from the way they went, we would need to be worried about something?
But they didn’t. So it’s not really very helpful to your argument.

Sentencing is on the 6th September.

They will come down like a ton of bricks on him. And he deserves it.

they should be free to say what they want and she should be free to sue them for defamation etc. I dislike both of
those men, but when you start policing what people can and can't say, you create more men like that, not less.

Laurence Fox (Dan Wooton was his useful idiot) is free to express those views in the privacy of his home. There may be grubby pubs and posh clubs where he could get away with that. But he knows well it’s unacceptable on national tv. That’s why he did it - for the furore, the drama dahling. He’s just a failed actor desperate for some limelight.

how would you police free speech @urbanbuddha out of curiosity?

I would educate myself in the field first.
How about you?

@lubl Lozza Fox hasn't been prosecuted from a legal point of view - he has just had consequences from Ofcom in terms of his role at Gbeebies. That's not about free speech, that is about how the UK regulatees its media outlets, and GB news falls under that remit. So again, LF is free to say that shit, but there are consequences for saying it. I don't understand why you would have a problem with that. If I said stuff like that on my NHS Trust's Facebook page, I would justifiably and legally be fired.

They weren't prevented from saying those things, they just had to face the consequences of sayimg it.

Fox quite happily threatens people with his lawyers when he doesn't like what they say to him.

@lubl "
they should be free to say what they want and she should be free to sue them for defamation etc. "

So to clarify- anyone should be allowed to say anything, however offensive and defamatory and it's up to the person being defamed to sue. No broadcasting standards at all? Who pays?

@AboveBeyond3 "Had he not been arrested, accusations of two tier policing would have been well founded with implications for all of us, including the Labour apologists"

But he was arrested. As he should have been. If he hadn't been then yes, the accusations would have been well founded. But he was. So they aren't. I have no idea what's going on on this thread.

What's going on is as much whataboutery that can possibly be mustered by some people in an attempt to be right.

Sadly being faced with facts tends to lead them into more whataboutery rather than accepting fact.

Living in their own fictitious headspace seems to be preferable though!

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Needs locking up.

The punishment must match those already handed out.

Did you know you aren't allowed to say marry Christmas any more? I know someone who was actually sacked for wishing someone a merry Christmas....