JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

I picked up on it because it's been a criticism of JKR and her gender critical supporters throughout this thread.

But you choose to deny it is.

Funny.

Run out of arguments, because you keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge about details relating to the IOC and DSDs

Going back to the IOC, can you enlighten us as to logic of why the proven settled science in athletics was accepted by the court of arbitration for sport in terms of needing to establish sex because of unfair competitive advantages for DSD XY males if you didn't and the need for entry requirements to prevent this, and how these accepted facts were just completely ignored by the IOC when it came to boxing which actually carries a physical danger to women if there is a mismatch in competitors.

We seem to keep dodging this question and throwing it back to why JKR is evil.

Why is that?

Tilts head

I agree with this. She stands up for women’s sports, spaces, rights to name and organise themselves because many women cannot, and have lost their livelihoods, friends and safety by doing so.

Whose truth? Your truth? It’s painful indeed. 🤬

THE truth.

Also known as reality,it's a thing.

Well I'm glad you are gate keeping prisons and wards.

But it's not just about what bothers you, I'm sure you're aware. I have a friend who was very brutally raped and the presence of any man in a vulnerable space would trigger an anxiety attack for her. The degree of 'transition' would be totally irrelevant to that.

Just because you identify as something, doesn't mean you are it.

The wall of reality is cruel indeed.

If I could wave a magic wand and change people's sex on demand I would. Really I would.

Unfortunately life is unfair.

Science. That truth 🙄

No.

Oh come on. What science backs up your position?

Right, but "both sides" implies that there are two sides, doesn't it?

I don't agree that there are two sides. I think there are at least three sides, quite possibly more.

There are people who believe TWAW because gender identity trumps sex.

There are people who believe that we should perform the gender roles traditionally associated with our sex and that gender non conformity is an aberration (social conservatives).

And then there are people who believe that humans can't change sex and don't recognise he legitimacy of gender at all (gender critical feminists).

The first two groups - with their obsession with gender - have as much in common with each other as either of them do with gender critical feminists.

Your ideas and your words belong to you and they are cruel.

Reality is something else entirely.

Yes, so cruel to say that changing sex is not possible 🫠

I have a theory, which will obviously never be proven, which is that if you could wave a magic wand and turn someone with genuine gender dysphoria into a person of the opposite sex, they would still have dysphoria.

Because why would changing someone's body fix a psychological problem?

Yes I'm aware, I was asked specifically about my thoughts and opinions so I gave it. I'm sorry for your friend that's an awful thing to go through

And there we go again.

"You are being mean and cruel"

Rather than addressing the point about why the IOC cruelly decides to risk the safety of women in sport and doesn't want them to participate in sport.

Yep. We get the constant avoiding the ACTUAL point here and the constant attempts to demonise women who point out the ACTUAL cruelty.

It is impossible to live a lie and live a fantasy. It always catches up with you in the end.

Unfortunately for the two boxers this reality will eventually catch up with them...

The tilts head was a nice touch, I like it 🤣

you know the whole point of the thread was actually about JKR right? I was asking what peoples opinions where about her silence the last week or so and if people thought it was coincidental that it coincided with this legal case. So I'm not dodging or throwing it back, that's what I was talking about originally.

im sorry I can't give you the answers you want about the IOC, because I do not nor have I ever worked for them or had any insight into their decision making. Not sure why you would think I do

Oh dear lord, I’ve addressed it a million times. Ive set out and argued my position on the substance quite clearly: I was just disgusted by yet another pp calling IK a “TIM” - with a new extraordinary rationale- and then you chimed in with your “reality” bollox. 🙄

Of course men aren’t any kind of women. It’s obvious that putting on a dress doesn’t turn a man into a woman. Human beings can’t change sex. It doesn’t mean that a human being doesn’t exist.

Men and women. Transmen and transwomen. Teenagers with gender dysphoria. Non binary. The world is getting complicated. I am willing to indulge anyone who wants to be called he she or they but they will still remain transwomen/men. I don't really think about my gender tbh so maybe I'm non binary but I am still scientifically a woman.

I don't really think about my gender tbh so maybe I'm non binary but I am still scientifically a woman.

No one used to think about their gender except a few cross-dressing men with AGP and a smaller number of people with a distressing MH issue known as gender dysphoria or body dysmorphia. 99% of people still don't think about their gender or 'feel' like a woman or a man. They just are women or men and it's not a sign of being non-binary.

No one, not even self-declared non-binary people, can say what non-binary means. It seems to be shorthand for 'more interesting than the average straight person.'

Right...? Fair comment but it still confuses me how JKR is painted as the devil incarnate for making some remarks about a transgender person online.

Meanwhile, a boxer who has distinct male advantage over a woman, who actually punches said woman with full force is defended.

Sorry but make that make sense.

Yep we understand that. I guess some people are just trying to work out where your 'disgust' is for a woman boxer being hit by another boxer with a distinct male advantage?

Would that be more or less 'devastating' than a woman being punched by someone who knows they are a lot stronger than her and could potentially cause a life-threatening injury?

I reckon if she came to serious harm, that would be the very definition of 'devastating'.

I think that you have missed the point that she was trying to make.
This transwoman made the headlines, when many many women are trying to get in to top level coaching and are denied the opportunity.
Partly by the system that struggles with women being in charge and then being denied by a transwoman (male) that we are supposed to celebrate.

How many of these transwomen have got where they are by being men and then transitioning?

and then to greater shame we are supposed to pretend that its a woman in charge! Fuck that!

I agree with your theory actually.

As far as I know, gender dysphoria is the only mental disorder listed in the DSMV that is treated by affirming the beliefs and thoughts that an individual has about themselves. I obviously haven’t read the whole thing, so I may be wrong, but we wouldn’t treat someone with an eating disorder by agreeing that they’re overweight and playing along as though they are. Probably not a great comparison as that would obviously have devastating consequences for that individual.

The thing is, I actually don’t have a problem with someone wanting to live as though they are the opposite sex if it gives them what they need. But only so far as it doesn’t hurt or harm anyone else. That’s where I draw the line. And taking gold medals and places in sport from women is harming those women.