JKR being uncharacteristically quiet

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Anyone else noticed since the news that JKR is being sued by Imane Khelif she's been very quiet, unless I'm mistaken she's hasn't tweeted at all in about a week.

and hasn't responded at all to the legal action being taken against her. This is very unlike her, I'm thinking she's been advised by her lawyers to keep quiet. Anyone else think she might have put her foot in it this time?

so as someone who doesn't experience either DSD or disability

Where have I stated this??? I am legally disabled. Not that I should be required to disclose this to make my point 🙄.

The Olympic committee went by ‘passport sex’ so I think we can ignore that. And yeah, if her own coach is saying there’s ‘a problem’ with IK’s chromosomes and that IK’s testosterone is in the male range, I do know that.

It really isn't 'complicated'... well, not for the vast, vast majority of humankind.

Anomalies occur in all aspects of life, of course they do. But, respectfully, that's all they are: anomalies.

No one has said Khelif's testosterone is in male range, that's another thing you've made up. The coach said "high", high doesn't mean male range, plenty of women have higher than average testosterone levels (about half of us do, in fact)

Oh I wasn’t saying that to you, I was highlighting what you said to me. I just like to highlight when posters start to bully/ belittle others on a personal level , instead of engaging in the substantive debate

Yes you were.

Stating facts is not bullying, not matter how embarrassing it is for you to be in the wrong. I’m sorry that you feel that being wrong, and having it pointed out to you, constitutes bullying. If you had misspelt a word, for example, I wouldn’t dream of pointing it out. But, in the context of this thread, and your argument, the word vagina - and its meaning - are exceedingly important.

Thank you for explaining this so brilliantly. 👏👏

If it weren't in the male range it wouldn't be relevant for the purposes of sports categorisation and this would be a non story.

Do elaborate? Can't wait to hear a list of Khelif's physical features which definitely prove she's male because no real woman ever has been tall or muscular.

True. But we can infer.
And, given that IK seems bent on legal justice, I’d imagine a simple (and cheaper) work around would be to prove the naysayers wrong….

Oh go on, @FreedomDogs humour me. Do answer this point, please…

She hasn't been categorised by her testosterone levels though, testosterone levels aren't the reason the IBA judged her ineligible because they didn't test for testosterone levels. As far as we're aware she's never had her testosterone checked for eligibility purposes. She presumably had it checked privately and all we have is her coach saying it was "high", which woopdedoo. My testosterone is high too, I have PCOS. And yet I am not a man, for any categorisation purposes, sporting or otherwise.

Your testosterone won't be anywhere near the male range though.

In order to have genuinely high testosterone, i.e. high enough to be relevant for the purposes of what sporting categories you should be eligible to compete in, you need to have a testis.

Khelif is not a trans woman. This isn't a thread about trans women.

The reason why trans women shouldn't compete in women's sport is the same reason why people like Caster Semenya shouldn't compete in women's sport though.

No, I know,
Which is why I phrased the question very clearly, so do you have answer for the question asked or not?

Well it’s def clearly complicated for this boxer who is the subject of this abuse…

And if you don’t have an answer or you’d prefer not to answer - just say so - all good…

Yes you were

errr no. I was repeating what you said. You said “how embarrassing for you” which was an attempt to belittle me and make me feel stupid - classic bullying tactic.

We don't know that Khelif's is anywhere near the male range either. And once again, her eligibility for her sporting category has not been judged based on her testosterone. No official sporting body has ever tested her testosterone and ruled it too high for her category.

Nope. I’ll repeat
Stating facts is not bullying, not matter how embarrassing it is for you to be in the wrong. I’m sorry that you feel that being wrong, and having it pointed out to you, constitutes bullying. If you had misspelt a word, for example, I wouldn’t dream of pointing it out. But, in the context of this thread, and your argument, the word vagina - and its meaning - are exceedingly important.

Again, you said “how embarrassing for you” which was an attempt to belittle me and make me feel stupid - classic bullying tactic.

Contributes nothing to the substantive debate.

Returning to the substantive debate- as I said earlier, I acknowledge I could have been more precise in my use of language. Although we don’t know what genitals this boxer has, she was assigned female at birth, so we can infer she more than likely either has a typical vagina or a “blind vagina” which looks like a typical vagina from the outside, but is actually shorter than a typical vaginal and is blocked by a vertical or horizontal line of tissue. Is that more acceptable to you? And isn’t the biology of human sex complicated? 😅

If you state this, and believe this, (fair enough) why are you so stridently tub thumping that IK is a woman and everyone arguing that might not be correct (including JKR) is wrong?

The fact that the coach says IK is having to have treatment to reduce their testosterone levels to within the female range means that IK’s previous levels were within the MALE range. The MAX testosterone in women with PCOS is around 5 nmol/L The bottom of the male normal range is 10 nmol/L.

I'm torn because I do want to answer because I know you'll think you've won some kind of victory if I don't, but also I don't really want to participate in your weird urge to drag in and attack trans people even when the thread has nothing to do with them.

lol at ‘dragging trans people in’. We don’t think IK is trans and it’s not important. What matters is that IK is MALE in every way that matters in sport.