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Friend skimping on dinner

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Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 18:35

Not entirely sure how to deal with this therefore asking for sensible advice on how to deal with this situation.

I’ve been friends with someone for a few years now. I used to enjoy their company however now can give or take on the basis that I thought we’d find a deeper connection but mostly it ends up in talking about other people. I’m enjoying the outings less. Also started to notice over time a pattern building up. When we go out for dinner and It’s my turn to pay they usually get a main, dessert and a few drinks so between us the bill usually is around £100s.

When it’s their turn to pay, the meal is just main course, no more than one drink and no dessert. Under £50s. what I find a little frustrating is the conversations had are not only about other people but also what ridiculously expensive designer purchase they’re making. And they do frequently buy expensive items. Also gets really annoyed when their other half hasn’t spent x amount on their birthday and Xmas gift.

Also that expectation of lavish gifts was laid out to me therefore for birthdays and Xmas I’ve gifted them pretty expensive gifts but in return I’ve received something worth £20 and second hand gifts.

I have friendships with people I’ve known since my childhood and we just don’t exchange gifts or buy one another dinner and I like that. It’s easy and simple. Or on the odd occasion we do buy each other dinner (rare as we don’t see each other that often) it always equals out. I never take more than I give. Vice versa.

My partner was the person to point out the inconsistency in me buying meals and going out and gifts which I at first brushed over because I didn’t mind but more recently I was just a bit annoyed because it was a shitty cheap meal , superficial conversation, and then talk about their next £3k purchase.

what would you do? I see this person most days as I run into them due to work.

I’ve left some bits out re conversations because it’s quite outing!!

OP posts:
Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:04

@DancingNotDrowning thats actually a really good question. It’s the attitude. So when it’s my turn to pay the conversation about food is different. As in ‘oooh so what are you having for your main? And shall we look at the dessert menu, I think I’ll get another drink’

whereas when their my turn to pay the mood is set straight away by ‘oh I’m just getting a main, I’m not hungry today’ but because it’s happened over a few years, I’ve picked up on the pattern.

does that make sense?

OP posts:
ItsAlrightDarling · 12/08/2024 19:04

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:01

Thank you for your responses . Really helpful.

@halava i think that’s the feeling I feel. Resentment. Which doesn’t feel good because I usually keep to myself and have done a pretty good job of keeping my circle tight and being happy overall. The last occasion which I can’t really go into detail without outing myself bothered me so much and it’s this one I’m struggling to let go of. Because it was really bad.

@DancingFerret because it didn’t start off like that. I think they were drawn to me initially because I was quite a deep conversationalist and they liked that but it feels like they’ve infiltrated that niceness with their nature which is bitchiness? It’s happened over a few years and more recently when my partner asked whether I had a nice time I simply replied ‘no’. And explained the conversation wasn’t fulfilling in the slightest. I felt slightly dirty afterwards.

as I’m reading the responses I realise I just don’t want to go out with them anymore and actually I don’t want to give anymore of my money and time to them. I think I’d be less available.

what’s irritating is I’m much more financially secure than this person in the long run so I wonder whether they’re just using me. They are quite fragile in terms of how they see the world and their desires are a reflection of their fragility. In those moments I feel really heartbroken for them because I don’t think they had the proper strong woman/ man figure in their life?

it’s just weird because the Xmas gift and birthday gift thing was pretty much laid out in terms of ‘it has to be a nice gift as I like nice things’ and then in return I get gifts that I pass on to my little cousins because they’re just things that you gift as stocking fillers.

But why did you keep buying expensive gifts after the first time they bought you crappy stocking filler type gifts?

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:09

ItsAlrightDarling · 12/08/2024 19:04

But why did you keep buying expensive gifts after the first time they bought you crappy stocking filler type gifts?

Only did this last year. So birthday and Xmas gift exchange has only happened for one year. Been friends three years.

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allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 12/08/2024 19:15

@Aadamsfamily you are friends with a cheapskate!!! I agree with pp who say pay your own way and restrict pressies. or, go into restaurant and just order your starter, main and sweet when it is her turn to pay! take the bull by the horns!

OraettaMayflower · 12/08/2024 19:16

TheBottomsOfMyTrousersAreRolled · 12/08/2024 18:44

Does she say you cannot order starter and dessert or more drinks, or does she just not and you match he5 behaviour?

Exactly, when the wait staff comes over can’t you say that you want to look at the dessert menu?

velvetcoat · 12/08/2024 19:18

So, this person is tight with their money but expects you to be generous, brags about material purchases and superficial things, and spends the entire conversation slagging off other people?

Why the fck do you keep meeting them?- they sound dreadful.

I'd be slow fading this person - eg "sorry cant make that day, I'll let you know when I am free", "ah, bit busy at the moment, we'll have to sort out some dates at some point" (but never do so), "yes, we must meet up at some point, let me check my diary and get back to you"- just keep putting her off until she gets the message. I dont know why you bother with such a twat.

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:19

In those moments I feel really heartbroken for them

Heartbroken is a strong word, don’t you think.

Just order what you feel like, not what she feels like.

VotesForWomen · 12/08/2024 19:20

So it's well and truly time to nip this all in the bud.

"Hey friend, next time we meet I'm just going to pay for my own stuff.Cost of living and all that"

Next birthday or Xmas, whichever is sooner, nice and early: "Hey, Just to let you know it's only going to be a card from me from now on. I'm just not really feeling the consumerism of gift giving."

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:21

I have a friend like this, doesn't drive and doesn't work she badgers me to go out with her but that involves me using a rest day (never wants to meet at weekends when her partner is home) driving to collect her, driving to wherever, then driving home we also don't live that close to each other. She never offers money for fuel, to pay for parking or even but me a cup of tea.

A few months back she asked me if I wanted to go to a bottomless brunch which would have been pointless unless I could get a lift, I said maybe on that basis, she then asked me to also pay for her ticket as well which she'd pay me back for. I was irritated by that as it was quite a while away before she could pay me back and DH pointed out I was already funding her lifestyle by acting as a free taxi service for her.

I actually realised that I don't really even enjoy spending time with her, it was hard work as we have nothing in common and I am irritated by some of the entitled attitudes she has around certain things.

Just slowly distance yourself I promise you you'll feel better for it I know I do

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:22

VotesForWomen · 12/08/2024 19:20

So it's well and truly time to nip this all in the bud.

"Hey friend, next time we meet I'm just going to pay for my own stuff.Cost of living and all that"

Next birthday or Xmas, whichever is sooner, nice and early: "Hey, Just to let you know it's only going to be a card from me from now on. I'm just not really feeling the consumerism of gift giving."

This is good.

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:23

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:21

I have a friend like this, doesn't drive and doesn't work she badgers me to go out with her but that involves me using a rest day (never wants to meet at weekends when her partner is home) driving to collect her, driving to wherever, then driving home we also don't live that close to each other. She never offers money for fuel, to pay for parking or even but me a cup of tea.

A few months back she asked me if I wanted to go to a bottomless brunch which would have been pointless unless I could get a lift, I said maybe on that basis, she then asked me to also pay for her ticket as well which she'd pay me back for. I was irritated by that as it was quite a while away before she could pay me back and DH pointed out I was already funding her lifestyle by acting as a free taxi service for her.

I actually realised that I don't really even enjoy spending time with her, it was hard work as we have nothing in common and I am irritated by some of the entitled attitudes she has around certain things.

Just slowly distance yourself I promise you you'll feel better for it I know I do

Why didn’t you just say no to paying for their ticket?

duchessofsilk · 12/08/2024 19:26

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:23

Why didn’t you just say no to paying for their ticket?

Yes, if you know someone is constantly taking the piss and you still lend them money then really, thats on you.

Stop doing it. Then you wont feel resentful and pissed off

Aadamsfamily · 12/08/2024 19:26

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:21

I have a friend like this, doesn't drive and doesn't work she badgers me to go out with her but that involves me using a rest day (never wants to meet at weekends when her partner is home) driving to collect her, driving to wherever, then driving home we also don't live that close to each other. She never offers money for fuel, to pay for parking or even but me a cup of tea.

A few months back she asked me if I wanted to go to a bottomless brunch which would have been pointless unless I could get a lift, I said maybe on that basis, she then asked me to also pay for her ticket as well which she'd pay me back for. I was irritated by that as it was quite a while away before she could pay me back and DH pointed out I was already funding her lifestyle by acting as a free taxi service for her.

I actually realised that I don't really even enjoy spending time with her, it was hard work as we have nothing in common and I am irritated by some of the entitled attitudes she has around certain things.

Just slowly distance yourself I promise you you'll feel better for it I know I do

Would you say in your experience it just slowly creeps up on you and then years later you realise you’re being taken advantage of? what seems like a good idea at the time, or brushing off the odd bits and bobs actually just ends up building. When I wrote my original post I read it back on it and thought I’m an idiot.

pretty much everyone on here has given really good advice. Either be less available or just pay for my own bits. I’m going to go for the former as it’s easier to be busy. Maybe she will just get the hint.

@greenpinkskies sorry not sure what you mean by your first line. Do you think you can explain it to me so I don’t misunderstand it? Thanks 😊

OP posts:
Thebaguette · 12/08/2024 19:27

Give then £5 gifts from charity stores. If they complain say you are no longer going to give expensive gifts to those adults who can afford but still get you cheap gifts. If they get upset, their issue.

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:28

@greenpinkskies I did say no. She asked one of our other friends who put it on her credit card and advised her she would need the money by x date to ensure she didn't pay interest. This date was a couple weeks before she had said she would be able to pay me back so gave me the impression (right or wrong) that she was paying when convenient rather then the first opportunity which annoyed me even more

momtoboys · 12/08/2024 19:29

If you enjoy their company (which it doesn't sound like you do), tell them the next time you go to dinner that you would be more comfortable each paying for their own meal. It might be a little awkward bringing it up but worth it for your peace of mind.

VotesForWomen · 12/08/2024 19:31

If you do continue to go for meals out with her, you can draw your boundaries about the topics of conversation.

"You'll never guess what Linda did, she was a right bitch..."

"Let's keep it high vibe shall we, who are you LOVING on right now and why?"
"Hmm, I'm not really feeling the negative vibe of this subject, let's talk about something happier instead!"

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:31

Thebaguette · 12/08/2024 19:27

Give then £5 gifts from charity stores. If they complain say you are no longer going to give expensive gifts to those adults who can afford but still get you cheap gifts. If they get upset, their issue.

About being heartbroken you mean? I meant that she is not treating you well op, and you seem to be the sort of person who does treat friends well. It does not sound as if she is worth being heartbroken over. A bit sad maybe, but not heartbroken.

But yes, some things do creep up on you and suddenly your eyes just open and you see things for what they are.

Edit Sorry @Thebaguette I meant to quote OP not you.

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:33

@Aadamsfamily yes it's crept up and now I do feel like an idiot. I also really realised after the incident where she wanted a loan for her ticket and I thought no I'm not going down that road of also bankrolling her as it woukd never stop.

Also I couldn't drive for a few weeks due to needing physio, she showed zero interest in meeting up while I said I couldn't drive and hasn't even checked in on me to see how it's going so that was another light bulb moment

greenpinkskies · 12/08/2024 19:33

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:28

@greenpinkskies I did say no. She asked one of our other friends who put it on her credit card and advised her she would need the money by x date to ensure she didn't pay interest. This date was a couple weeks before she had said she would be able to pay me back so gave me the impression (right or wrong) that she was paying when convenient rather then the first opportunity which annoyed me even more

There are so many CF’s out there. I honestly don’t know how they can do it.

rainingsnoring · 12/08/2024 19:33

She sounds really boring and really tight. Neither characteristic are at all appealing!

Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 12/08/2024 19:35

Why are you even indulging in this? If someone told me they like nice gifts, they would be getting nice but cheap gift and that would be the last one ever.

rainingsnoring · 12/08/2024 19:36

Sorry- 'Neither characteristic is at all appealing!'

BobbyBiscuits · 12/08/2024 19:37

Just keep it that you go halves, or each take turns to pay. But bear in mind the level she will spend. So just match that.
If you want to go somewhere more expensive, just explain that you'll pay for your own extras.
I personally wouldn't want to be friends with someone who seems so preoccupied with bitching about others, and what they spend their cash on. She sounds pretty tedious.
If her budget is lower, she should politely say so when you've invited her to somewhere out of her usual price range.
But if it has to be a bi annual Nandos then so be it.
Doesn't sound like she's scintillating company anyway.

Tara336 · 12/08/2024 19:38

@greenpinkskies there certainly are! I was actually stunned that she was fine with other friend having to use her card to loan her the money for tickets and that she had asked around everyone looking for a loan.