To think Keir Starmer holds a lot of sway?

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Former Director of Public Prosecutions. Now PM.
Following the 'civil unrest' last week, several perpetrators have been not only arrested and jailed, but publicly named and shamed, the speed of which I have never seen before.
Our PM clearly knows the right people to get things rolling quickly.
This, combined with the anti racism protestors, gives me a glimmer of hope for the future. I feel in safe(ish) hands with Keir.AIBU?

Yeah, it's getting pretty desperate lol

Every now and again someone slips a post in and you remember this forum is actually batshit.

I'm all for language evolving. It hasn't evolved to adapt this though. So weird you'd link something that directly contradicts you 🤔 😂

More misinformation or at the very least posters ‘using’ their ignorance to make veiled racist claims or to run down a government who are showing that they know what they are doing and act rather than spouting meaningless soundbites?

Absolutely - and the veiled racist claims on mumsnet are scarier than some of the thugs being arrested and jailed. Their ignorance is what left us suffering under 14 years and 5 Tory PM's who screwed up the country and have left this new government to try and clear up the mess. The Tories and Reform Party pretty indistinguishable.

Hmmm it’s a stretch to say I’ve lied.
I have a different opinion to you?

IMO both parties have ignored the communities where immigration has changed the landscape (the areas with the riots)

Both parties have, imo, allowed immigration to get out of control and I believe they have done this deliberately. The economy relies on ‘growth’ and the sticking plaster way to get that is via cheap immigration.

They don’t care about communities, they don’t care to listen to residents, they care about getting re elected on their presentation of a ‘successful’ economy.
I don’t even think they care about ‘racism’, it’s just a useful tool to enable them to continue their mass immigration policy and ‘demonstrate growth’

Both parties btw, I know there are squeals of horror about my political leanings, yes I am more right than left, but I don’t support the Conservative Party. There isn’t a party that represents conservative views.

Don’t ever dare to say party gate was overhyped politically lead exaggeration! You’ll be cancelled for that!

I understood the same, that there were various ‘leaving do’ type things for people who were working in offices (not at home like most others) because they needed to in such a time of crisis, and Boris politely popped by to show his thanks for that persons work.

I’m not actually defending him as such, he’s obviously got many faults, but partygate was overhyped nonsense

Of course it is. Even Clav couldn’t find anything to cut and paste. There’s a reek of desperation.

Both parties but labour haven’t been in power for 14 years.

That's a new low even for you - you have no idea about KS drinking habits. I have pink cheeks - I barely drink at all.

I wasn't suggesting that he is an alcoholic but he clearly likes a pint or two:

“He comes here every game,” said a barman at the pub, “his security are with him and he sits at the back with a pint. He’s part of the furniture now.”
Starmer’s other favourite pubs are closer to home in nearby Kentish Town...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/keir-starmer-drowns-arsenal-sorrows-favourite-pubs-b1158906.html

Did you know Keir Starmer loves the Pineapple in Kentish Town No? Don’t you read? I should probably also tell you his dad was a toolmaker, given he barely mentions that either. The Labour leader — and, unless every pollster in the country is off their nut, the next Prime Minister — has long praised this backstreet, Daphne-blue boozer. He tweets from it, he’s dubbed it his Church, I half suspect he’s moonlighting on the side as its PR.

https://www.standard.co.uk/going-out/restaurants/rishi-sunak-nandos-nigel-farage-boisdale-b1166314.html

@Clavinova it's funny how you've never mentioned your beloved Boris' alcohol intake...

Someone working in Number 10 said he mostly drank water.

I would imagine that the editor of the Spectator had much less on his plate than a PM dealing with Covid, Brexit and a war in Ukraine.

On one measure, Boris Johnson has been dubbed 'the hardest working Prime Minister of the 20th and 21st century'! (NB the introduction to the article is misleading - Johnson was not in residence at Number 10 the evening before Prince Philip's funeral).

Using Hansard, they looked into how many spoken parliamentary contributions each PM has made, as well as how many weeks they held office -

Boris Johnson is the hardest working prime minister, making an average of 12.8 contributions in parliament per week.

James Callaghan and Theresa May come second and third, with an average of 11.3 and 6 contributions per week respectively.

Tony Blair only made one contribution per week on average, making him the least hard-working Prime Minister...

https://nen.press/2022/01/20/aye-right-boris-johnson-is-uks-hardest-working-prime-minister/

They have moved this quickly before with previous riots a few years ago. But the speed of setting up Cobra etc has been good and effective. I understand some police were deployed in Paris to support the policing of the Olympics so it must have been challenging to get police resources to the right places.

Starrmer should also, in my opinion, have visited some of the affected areas the next day when the clear up was happening to show solidarity with the communities affected. I understand the rationale for not doing so - diverting police and security forces and potentially lighting the touch paper but still. Sunak would have been criticised for not going.

They are discharging people from prison as part of early release to free spaces - which they are now going to be filling.....

And they need to ensure that the punishments are not too draconian and out of kilter with other sentences so as not to make 'two tier policing' a reality. Still those they have dished out seem to be in line with the Just Stop Oil protests. So hopefully parity will be maintained.

I’m not actually defending him as such, he’s obviously got many faults, but partygate was overhyped nonsense

We had leaving dos via zoom. Because gatherings - even in the workplace - weren't allowed.

Our boss managed to show her face too! (Literally!)

Parties were not allowed. He shouldn't have had them whilst telling the whole country they'll be fined for having them.

Government should NOT be run under "do as I say....."

In fact of all the things he did this was the one that pissed me off the most. I have less of a shit about some of the others.

If we had strong law and order then crime rates would massively plummet (the riots were quickly stopped).

It shows they can do it when they want to. Just most of the time they don't.

If you got sent down for years for carrying a knife, and had stop and search, then knife crime would drastically reduce overnight.

Judging how hard politicians work on the basis of the frequency with which they speak in parliament is risible. We all know how much Johnson loves the sound of his own voice. Hard work is putting in the hard yards behind the scenes, not performative oratory.

Knife possession has a minimum sentence to it that is barely applied by the judiciary. You could change it. It would upset a lot of people because most knife carriers are teenage boys. That means them going to prison. People talk tough on this but when it their children carrying they want the mercy of the court.

I would however make it mandatory for possession. We did for guns and the rate of carrying guns dropped. People do not like going to prison for four years at a minimum.

Exactly! However, even though there are so many deaths to knife crime they are still not going with the stop and search deterrent. Most crimes are quickly becoming to random people. We have a right not to live scare to leave our houses and for our children safety.
May be we should go and protest peacefully about bringing it back.

Yes, it was a bloody great shame that the police and justice system (prisons and courts) budgets were cut so dramatically during austerity. It's all very well losing 20k officers and then having to recruit another 20k but you lose all that experience with it. Numbers haven't kept pace with population growth either.

I don’t think that’s true about random people. Most knife crime is within social groups - largely young men in their own area. When it comes out of that it’s obviously shocking, but it’s not something requiring you to be scared to leave your home. I’m not minimising it, by the way, just trying to give you some perspective.

understood the same, that there were various ‘leaving do’ type things for people who were working in offices (not at home like most others)

You. Were. Not. Allowed. To. Meet. Up. Socially.
Even after work with colleagues.
Other people as said upthread, did it via Zoom.

I think people might turn more of a blind eye if it's just criminals/drug dealers stabbing/killing each other. It's when innocent people keep getting caught up in random violence and the police/government/judiciary aren't taking it seriously, like they have this week with the riots. Something which helped cause the riots in the first place.

What a ridiculous article. Parliamentary contributions have got absolutely nothing to do with how hard a PM works. Johnson is a showman, loves the sound of his own voice - especially when quoting Latin & Greek. His was leadership by fancy soundbite. He left all the work to the incompetent sycophants he disastrously promoted.

Hmmm it’s a stretch to say I’ve lied.
I have a different opinion to you?

There you go again. Your opinion is just an opinion. It is not Reality. The reality is that politicians have not and are not ignoring immigration.

Just because you believe or imagine something, it doesn't make it real @hamstersarse.🙈