To think Keir Starmer holds a lot of sway?

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Former Director of Public Prosecutions. Now PM.
Following the 'civil unrest' last week, several perpetrators have been not only arrested and jailed, but publicly named and shamed, the speed of which I have never seen before.
Our PM clearly knows the right people to get things rolling quickly.
This, combined with the anti racism protestors, gives me a glimmer of hope for the future. I feel in safe(ish) hands with Keir.AIBU?

That nonsense about politicians ignoring immigration. They don't and they haven't. The Tory government talked about it endlessly and blamed it for loads of bad stuff happening in the country. Hence Brexit.🙄 At the same time, they cut Home Office processing and issued a fuck tonne of immigrant visas. And then there was their Rwanda "Deal".🙈 So they didn't ignore immigration.

In the run up to the election all the main political parties published their policies on immigration. It continues to be discussed now, post GE.

To say politicians have ignored immigration is a lie.

Also, and I'm not sure if it was you who said it so apologies if I'm wrong, people afraid of raising legitimate concerns about immigration for fear of being labelled "far right". Concerns about immigration were consistently in the top 5 voter priorities.

I’m not being defensive. You’re quite aggressive though. And clearly gutted your lot of incompetents were finally rejected.

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Don't be daft, how can me asking you if you have a link for a statement you made be considered aggressive?

That’s up to the court to decide unless she pleads guilty. It’s definitely provocative.

I didn’t say it was.

The difference is on free speech is the medium. If I make racially charged remarks and suggest that all members of a political party should be burned while having a beer down the pub then not only is it unlikely I will be reported but the impact is low. Still horrible. Maybe someone tells me to leave or I get cheers. One remark, one night, forgotten.

But if I make racially charged remarks on line, suggest that people who belong to certain parties should be harmed, then I have no control over what I have said. It’s published on the internet. It will be there in some form perhaps forever.

The law in the first case might apply but there will be a need for witnesses. The second is a slam dunk in legal terms because no lawyer has to argue that it was said. And the context will be clear.

Social media technically publishes comments. But we all remain liable for them. It’s the same as it ever was, it’s just that we have come to expect that nothing happens because social media doesn’t police us. We have to do that.

There are literally many things that are a lot more fascist than inhibiting people's ability to incite and organise hate-filed violence against minorities.

Top of the list of course, would be the racist end game of such people - which historically has been herding naked adults and children into gas chambers.

You're not making any sense now.

You see, these personal attacks on KS just make any political point you might make look less valid and more motivated by your own political bias. Play the ball, not the man.

The irony of this post is off the charts - and tbh, quite comical.

You're accusing democratic centrists of being fascist while whinging about 'far right' being used pejoratively.

Most far right people btw, proudly embrace their far right identity.

Your general demeanour on this thread (and others) is pretty aggressive. You attack everything the government does or doesn’t do and take on any poster who points out your bias in quite a confrontational way.
Make more sense now?

We’ve had laws against inciting hatred for many a year. They made the statute books because they matter.

Are you a MAGA nut? Because surely it’s only those kinds of people who can’t understand the difference between freedom of speech and freedom from consequence.

Re weed - there was a lot of gnashing of teeth when the police decided not to bother prosecuting people for small amounts on their person. Because apparently ALL laws should be upheld.

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Why are you so rude! What have I said that's aggressive. I don't swear, I don't name call, I don't say anything offensive.

If anything I find the staunch Labour supporters on here are the ones who are more aggressive, they're the ones who are the rudest. Honestly it's like being back in the playground on here being picked on by a group of bullies.

2dogsandabudgie · 08/08/2024 21:18 Yes the meeting was this evening because everyone knows he doesn't work after 5pm on a Friday!

This kind of post from you is what makes people see you as aggressive. It doesn't address any issue of substance, it's just smearing a politician because your party lost the election. Personal attacks are a bad look.

Where have I been rude? Disagreeing with you and your approach isn’t rude.

@swimsong
@FolkestoneMassive

"The ‘far right’ label is a deterrent. Deliberately used to create a climate of fear. It’s fascism in action: silence your political rivals."

Can someone actually please define fascism because different posters seem to have different views on what it is?

There were loads of comments like mine on that thread so why you have decided to pick on me I'm not sure, but it smacks of bullying and trying to drive me off this thread.

If that post makes me aggressive, not sure how, but that means there's been an awful lot of aggressive Labour supporters on here the last 14 years.

There were, and anyone who comes on this thread and claims that those of us who approve of the government's handling of the riots is aggressive will get the be same comment from me. If you comment on policy rather than people, you will be taken seriously. If you persist in cheap slurs, you will be challenged, as will anyone else.

You aren't stupid. You know full well that KS works as hard as any Prime Minister, so one can only assume that a cheap shot is all you've got.

Well, the last government was considerably less diligent and hardworking than the one we have now - remember Dominic Raab's 'The beach was closed' while Afghanistan burned? Boris Johnson not attending COBRA meetings (when KS cancelled his holiday to attend!). The contrast is stark, and people are allowed to point that out.

Safe is the last thing I feel.

Well, the last government was considerably less diligent and hardworking than the one we have now

The last govt was arguably the worst we have seen in a generation. Johnson caused so much damage (proroguing Parliament, establishing the distrust in the courts, police and establishments in general for his own personal gain and then blew it all because he was too busy getting pissed…way to go UK) and then came truss😫

Bar was set as low as it’s ever been and I hope as a country we never have to endure such an awful govt. It won’t be hard to be an improvement on that.