To think Keir Starmer holds a lot of sway?

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Former Director of Public Prosecutions. Now PM.
Following the 'civil unrest' last week, several perpetrators have been not only arrested and jailed, but publicly named and shamed, the speed of which I have never seen before.
Our PM clearly knows the right people to get things rolling quickly.
This, combined with the anti racism protestors, gives me a glimmer of hope for the future. I feel in safe(ish) hands with Keir.AIBU?

OK, so to take the example of the woman who is being detained for sharing an incorrect name of the Southport perpetrator.

How do we prove that was inciting violence? She shared a name, which as far as I know was not actually a real person. Just a made up name. So it was not against a real individual. Did she know that would incite violence? How was she to know that? How would you prove that, given the actual post did not say anything which incited violence, it was a name and some other bullshit about being on MI6's watchlist, but it did not directly incite violence.

That riots took off, was that the fault of this woman? How do you prove it?

Imagine if this had happened under any of the last three Tory Prime Ministers and the Home Secretaries they had.

The response by this government reminds us what being vaguely competent is, and the benefit of having a Prime Minister who has actually run an organisation. Regardless of any views you have on policies.

There isn't an objective reality with a concept such as 'hate'

I might find one thing hateful, you might not.

That's the problem

She didn't just share a name. But you know that.

I don't actually. I presumed it was the tweet that almost every one saw naming someone and some crap about being on the MI6 watchlist? I am happy to be corrected, I thought 'that was the tweet'

If someone deliberately makes up a Muslim name and said they arrived on a small boat last year, I think the intentions are very clear. If she'd heard it elsewhere and repeated it then that's completely different. However, if she actually thought "oh I know, I'll say it was a Muslim who came on a boat" there's only one possible reason why she'd do that - to stir up trouble. There's simply no other explanation. Any policeman or judge can see that. I don't think in cases like this you need actual proof because the intentions are so obvious to everyone.

He seems more like an exasperated head teacher to me.
I cannot stand the man.

But is it an incitement to violence?

Its called casual racism. It's horrible.

Or an Asda Store Manager with some of his people late to their shift on a Saturday morning having been on the lash the night before and not invited him

Sounds like there's a bit more to that story, you don't get suspended /restricted or banned for "voicing the need for unity and tolerance" 😕

Politicians extensively, continuously discuss immigration. That is objective reality. To say that they don't is to tell a lie. What's your beef with the truth?

If she'd heard it elsewhere and repeated it then that's completely different.

Well, no, that is sort of the point with what is going on with the 'clamp down' and use of power at the moment. Even if you just share it, they are claiming you can be prosecuted.

I'd rather an exasperated head teacher than someone who you wouldn't trust to organise.a piss up in a brewery properly. Boris sprang immediately to mind at that

I don't understand.

I was asking how you define hate. Are you saying there is a definitive answer on what defines hate? If so, would you share it?

That'll all come out in the court case.

Why do you think Bernadette Spofforth invented the lie that the terrible atrocity in Southport was carried out by a Muslim refugee?

That's just upholding laws that have always been in place though.
When it comes to stuff like libel, for example, you don't have to be the one who originally posted it.
You can get into trouble just for sharing them.

What lies have I told?

And cool, the definition of hate is "an intense dislike".

So are you happy that people can be arrested for having an "intense dislike" for things?

Oh absolutely, boris and Cameron and Gordon brown and, well we can go back to as many ex PMs as we want. They were all shit. Scottish FMs too.

You would think in a country the size of the UK there would be someone who had the gravitas and some nous to run the damn country.

But apparently not.

No it is not casual racism. Casual racism refers to problematising specific cultural differences and marginalising people who inhabit these cultural differences and disapproving of their actions. I haven't done anything of that nature.
I made an assumption on the basis of the facts available to me, including some of the reports on the nature of these offences including this one
https://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l8pk0964no

I did not describe this as problematic or made any references to their culture, their looks or the way they dress, their accent or anything else which could be considered a target for casual racism. Extrapolating available information is not inherently racist. Scientist do it all the time by taking a sample size to conduct research and then extrapolating the results to a wider population.

"So are you happy that people can be arrested for having an "intense dislike" for things?"

No. She was arrested on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred (S19 of the Public Order Act 1986) and false communications (S179 Online Safety Act 2023).

The Public Order Act and online Safety Act were both brought in under Conservative governments.

Basically you were happy with the legislation when it was a Conservative government.

A couple of counter protestors/rioters have also been locked up.

Both are Muslim.

There is no differentiating. You riot and cause damage to people or property.

Do not pass go and do not collect £200.

Be careful, I have just been accused of being "casually racist" for stating the same.

No, inciting violence has consequences. And I haven’t seen anyone (least of all Starmer) calling ‘concerned’ people far right fascists. Just those who express their concern through violence or racist posts encouraging violence. If I’m wrong you’ll be able to show me examples, I’m sure.