AIBU to point people to an article on the BBC website about the gender row on boxing at the Olympics?

[GenderRow]

This article on the BBC website is the most informative explanation of DSD I have read:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlr8gp813ko.amp

Before reading this, I was certain that Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting had male bodies. Having read the BBC article, I can see that it is by no means definite.
I feel very sorry for both of these 2 boxers that the International Olympic Committee have failed to develop proper testing procedures that would determine whether having a DSD would give an unfair advantage in the female boxing category. The IOC should have investigated this issue properly for Khelif and Yu-ting before they were allowed to compete in the Olympics. It is such a shame that these boxers have the humiliation of us all discussing their intimate medical details.

Evidence?

The article and their personal histories.

Where's the evidence that you're female?
That's Maggie Chapman level dimwittery.

Is this trans boxer GC? Or is this nothing to do with trans and all to do with keeping biological males out of female sport?

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13701255/amp/Hergie-Bacyadan-female-boxer-identifies-man-calls-fighters-fail-gender-tests-banned-Imane-Khelif-Lin-Yu-ting-Angela-Carini-Paris-Olympics.html

Neither are trans women. Most people think they are. I thought they were until I read further. That's why I'm so disgusted.

True, there are deaf and blind individuals. Adjustments for them and a category in Olympics are well knoen.
Nobody is mentioning a third sex, but that some individuals do not fit the full definition of any. Intersex has been used, which is not a third sex.

@GargoylesofBeelzebub trans women are a totally different point... of course I believe in female sports being protected, but the ways this situation has been abused has disgusted me

Where does the article support your claim that they are ‘cis’ females? What evidence do you have of their histories? It must be an awful lot to have been enough to change your position on being GC?

@GenderRow thanks for posting this
It was an interesting read
I didn't know about it all
It doesn't sound straightforward

But only what I'd expect from the BBC, run as they are by the metropolitan chatterati consumed by whatever the latest "rightthink" is perceived to be

These three men won the 800m gold, silver and bronze at the Rio Olympics. Women were told we were being racist for pointing out they look like men. Then it was confirmed that they all have 46 XY 5ARD and did, in fact go through male puberty. Women had to fight to change the rules to exclude these men from running.

But instead of learning from their mistakes, the IOC has made things even worse for women by allowing males into the boxing ring.

(Just noticed it didn't post before).

Have you heard of those pesky things called sex chromosomes, you know the ones xx or xy or xxy. But the thing is having a Y means male, when someone doesn't have a Y they are female. Easy enough to test and prove in a simple saliva swab

Where does it state that sex isn't binary?

How has it been abused by GC people? You're the only one bringing up trans.

The issue is very clearly and always has been about fairness and safety for female sports.

Anyone claiming that Khelif and Yu-Ting are "cis female" is categorically wrong. Two separate chromosome tests taken a year apart and assessed by different accredited labs showed that both have XY chromosomes. You can argue that they're women all you want but they are unequivocally male.

And those men got to keep their medals. The rightful winners were never compensated.

@LostittoBostik

And if wanting fairness and safety for females is "far right" then the left are truly lost.

Exactly

Most people do not think they are trans at all. Most people are intelligent enough to know that a DSD and trans identity are two very different things.

I can accept there are some people who may be confused because they are actually not that interested but "most people"? No.

The discussion is about whether the boxers in question are male. The "gender test" requested by the IBA and carried out by an accredited lab says they have XY chromosomes. They were disqualified from the world championships last year for failing to meet eligibility criteria for the women's competition. They have not pursued an appeal with the fully independent CSA. The CSA tribunal process and outcome is made public.

are you ok? Do you struggle to understand basic science/biology?

This is not correct. Sex is binary. Disorders can cause it to develop in patterns outside of the norm, but we are all one sex or the other.

There has never ever been a genuine human hermaphrodite. Or any kind of third sex.

The IOC enjoys watching male on female violence and wants to get rid of the female category completely. That's really the only possible conclusion given a cheek swab could be easily done, was done in the past, and the overwhelming majority of women athletes are in favour of it.

It's funny how the only performance measure they're NOT testing is sex? They still test for doping and weight.

Anyway, they're massively weight and drug phobic and should accept paper documentation on weight categories and whether or not they're doping rather than measuring that too.

Watch this briefing by Sex Matters if you want a clear explanation of the issues

Having birthed a child not really a good test. Millions of women have never and will never birth a child. That doesn’t make them not women.