Shamima Begum

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2n8xv61x3o

I'll admit I actually don't know much about this apart from it being on the news when it happened and I did watch a documentary about it. Do you think she should be allowed to have British citizenship? I mean she was a child when it happened, surely she was groomed? And now stateless, doomed to live indefinitely in a camp with nowhere to go? I think running away to join Isis is of course absolutely awful but surely she should be treated as a child that was groomed? Or am I missing something?

Especially young Muslim men who are being told they're not welcome here. It pushes them into their open arms

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53428191

Bangladesh have said that she is not eligible for citizenship, and she would not be allowed in. She is stateless.

I feel so sorry for her. She was a child and has been through so much. She should be allowed back.

She’s definitely a scapegoat but not enough people really care that much because she isn’t particularly likeable.

I agree with you OP. I don't think this punishment in line with punishments for other people who actually fought with isis. And I don't think it's right that in the UK, you can be effectively punished your entire life for actions committed when you were 15. The 'she made her bed now she has to lie in it' doesn't apply for life foe any other crime committed by a 15 year old

Is there intelligence/allegations about her role in ISIS and whether she inflicted harm on others (including other women?)

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If she was white, blonde and middle class she would have been back in the UK years ago.

This is what I am wondering too..

Who wants to live Nextdoor to her? Have kids in the same class? Have the people she will consider friends on your street etc?

She was a child, there are children who commit horrific crimes than cannot be forgiven just because of age.

The time for her to return to the UK and the rest of us not be at an increased risk is a long time gone.

I agree, she is British and she should be brought back to the UK. I've not got much sympathy for her, she was showing no remorse up until the point where she started fighting to be brought back. But she's British and she should be treated as such.

Bet you don't apply that to your own kids.

Yeah, 'cos 15 yr olds are totally able to make long term rational decisions.

I actually feel for her but my beef is with the British Government who totally failed to follow their own procedures, preferring instead to offer her up as a sacrifice to the media. Has anyone else noticed that the biggest accusation against her is that she's clever AND female? Shouldn't be allowed!

She should have come home and been debriefed and allowed to finish her education. She was never going to be a major player, as a child and as a woman. Did she do bad things? That's how African child soldiers are kept in the ranks when they really want to go home to their mother's. Shamina could have been our great asset against the Taliban, but she was never that important and is this expendable.

It seems like most people are just annoyed she's not said sorry. I get that but I also think that she must be traumatised after everything that's happened? Is her manner fitting with someone who has experienced the death of 3 children? Not everyone can cry and be emotional after that kind of trauma...

Well, she was Bangladeshi by birth and would only have lost it at age 18 if she was a citizen somewhere else, so they can prevent her from entering Bangladesh without being arrested, but under international law and under Bangladesh’s law, she is a citizen of Bangladesh.

Is this the voice of contrition? If Begum came back, she would be an ISIS poster girl and in this 2019 BBC interview admits she went of her own free will:

I would rather live next door to her than some of the people we have walking around freely in the UK. Give me her over some paedophile who has served their sentence.

We lived in that neighbourhood when the 3 girls left. She stole her sister's passport and family jewelry to finance the trip. She was not really groomed she was a willing recruit. It was carefully planned to get to Turkey.
She has never shown any remorse or regret.
I heard that one of her relatives (uncle?) went out to the border to make contact via a journalist and she refused to leave ISIS. She had a chance to come back she still thinks ISIS would make the world better.
Worthless.

What about the kids who killed James Bulger? Should they be forgiven?

No one is suggesting forgiving her. No one is suggesting she goes unpunished.

Is she ever comes back to the UK she will go straight to prison. Which she accepts.

She was groomed. The adult man in his 20s that she “married” at 15 was soooo dreamy she just had to go to Syria to be with him. Typical 15-year-old stuff.

It’s extremely unlikely she ever did anything over there other than be raped and have babies. She was not a fighter. That is not the role of women and girls in Islamic State ideology.

People comparing her to the Bulger killers are nuts. And by the way, they have been “forgiven”, in the sense that they served a sentence deemed appropriate for their crime and were released. What is her route to redemption?

Well done to the Supreme Court judge I say!!

I’m pretty certain he knows more about the case and reasoning behind the decision
and the legalities far more than anyone on this thread… but let’s not allow that to get in the way of her sympathisers and excuse makers 🙄

The who she was groomed argument is completely moot because there is no way she was under the impression she was going over there to sow seeds,
paint pictures and bake cakes. It’s a
terrorist organisation and at 15 you know right from wrong.

Good enough for her.

This is excellent news, and absolutely the correct judgement by the Supreme Court. Now, Begum will never be able to blow herself up on a tube train or in a crowded building. Or at least not in the U.K.. She made her choice, now she can live with the consequences of that choice.

Well done, too, to Sajid Javid (a Muslim himself), the Home Secretary who had the backbone to remove British citizenship from a known terrorist. If only more politicians did likewise…

I'm a bit on the fence as well about this. However, I do believe that there are far more dangerous individuals walking free in this country than Shamima, and the authorities know who they are

I think the Supreme Court have made the correct decision in view of all the evidence presented.

I do not sympathise with her in anyway, shape or form.

But she was 15. She was groomed and the government failed her. It's not anyone else's problem to tidy up after our government's failures.

Her age and what she may or may not have done is irrelevant. She is (was) a British citizen and as such is our responsibility. If she committed crimes then bring her back and put her on trial for those crimes.

What crimes would she be put on trial for? If she committed those crimes abroad then how will there be witnesses etc?