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Shamima Begum

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Mamabear04 · 07/08/2024 14:30

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2n8xv61x3o

I'll admit I actually don't know much about this apart from it being on the news when it happened and I did watch a documentary about it. Do you think she should be allowed to have British citizenship? I mean she was a child when it happened, surely she was groomed? And now stateless, doomed to live indefinitely in a camp with nowhere to go? I think running away to join Isis is of course absolutely awful but surely she should be treated as a child that was groomed? Or am I missing something?

Shamima Begumphotographed at Roj Camp in Syria, where she is currently interred with other women who were members of Islamic State, on March 14, 2021.

Shamima Begum loses citizenship removal appeal bid

The 24-year-old will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2n8xv61x3o

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macaroniandcheeze · 11/08/2024 18:56

MelIy · 11/08/2024 13:17

Oh her lawyers said she shows remorse? No need for any further investigation, that's me convinced!😂

Yes they were like well here are all the important legal technicalities and conditions but none of it matters if Melly isn’t convinced she’s sad enough

Moreofthesamenothanks · 11/08/2024 18:56

Aussieland · 11/08/2024 18:52

And once a 15 year old has got to Syria, realised her error and then been forced into a marriage, how much power do you think they have to escape/tell their husband not to rape anyone/refuse to beat someone? Yes there would have been moments she could have shown kindness (and maybe she did or didn’t) but she didn’t have CHOICE from the moment she entered the territory. She was in a highly abusive marriage and her choices were to do what she was told or die.

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Ah, but SB said she enjoyed her life.... then after IS defeated in the main she decided she would return to Britain. Have you ever watched her interviews at all?

Aussieland · 11/08/2024 19:00

Moreofthesamenothanks · 11/08/2024 18:56

Ah, but SB said she enjoyed her life.... then after IS defeated in the main she decided she would return to Britain. Have you ever watched her interviews at all?

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Yes I have

Purplebunnie · 11/08/2024 19:05

StoneofDestiny · 11/08/2024 18:19

*Labour are lawless ( Look at Khans London for evidence if you don’t believe me).

why would anyone believe such nonsense?

Do tell - who would you like to see ‘run London’?
The Tory Party (and party they certainly did) had 14 years and 5 different PM’s try to govern the country and failed with massive consequences for us all. Surely you don’t want a Tory Party member running London into the ground too?
Enough is enough.

Mayor of London should not be party affiliated, none of the mayors should be and that goes for the Police and Crime Commissioners that we recently voted for as well

macaroniandcheeze · 11/08/2024 19:07

I mean, come on, any other British 15 year old groomed into that situation, forced to witness and participate in those awful activities, would be rescued and rehabilitated.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/08/2024 19:26

I don’t see how the government can in effect leave a British citizen stranded in another part of the world

Do keep up, @Maray1967; Shamima hasn't been a British citizen for years

Nor is she alone in this, since apparently 220 more were stripped of it between 2010 and 2022

FWIW I don't think "the 300 returnees" constantly being mentioned should have been allowed back either, but perhaps the UK had little choice if they didn't hold an additional citizenship to use?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53428191#:~:text=How%20many%20people%20have%20lost,104%20people%20lost%20their%20citizenship.

QuizzlyBear · 11/08/2024 20:49

She is a citizen of the uk. If we believe that she committed a crime against the country. she should be brought here and tried for it in court. That's due process. If not then she should be allowed back to build a life. I can't see why that's so complex.

MelIy · 11/08/2024 21:03

QuizzlyBear · 11/08/2024 20:49

She is a citizen of the uk. If we believe that she committed a crime against the country. she should be brought here and tried for it in court. That's due process. If not then she should be allowed back to build a life. I can't see why that's so complex.

She's not a citizen anymore, so she's going to have to deal with the consequences of her actions, from the country she committed crimes against

Sometimeswinning · 11/08/2024 23:07

QuizzlyBear · 11/08/2024 20:49

She is a citizen of the uk. If we believe that she committed a crime against the country. she should be brought here and tried for it in court. That's due process. If not then she should be allowed back to build a life. I can't see why that's so complex.

Did you miss where she became stateless? A quick google will help you. It’s not complex, a little loophole in the law said that Britain could take away her citizenship. That’s how the law works.

KTheGrey · 12/08/2024 07:41

It brings the whole question of citizenship into focus - having two nationalities is a luxury and we don’t all have it. SB had two and didn’t want either.

It is or will be a hot topic in immigration, whether to be a British Citizen or retain citizenship of your country of origin.

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