To blame Nigel Farage personally for this mess.

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Some people are fundamentally unpleasant. We know that. Some people. a tiny minority, hold views that are unacceptable to general society. We had a system whereby they knew they were better off keeping their poison silent in their heads. Farage has given them a cloak of respectability, and a way of connecting with other likeminded psychos. And he has organised them. Now look where we are.

It is going to be interesting to see how many people convicted for these riots are the same people convicted in 2011. Some people will just jump on any excuse to join in and stir up disorder.

These people would be better off finding a sporting outlet for their energy and aggression, and learning to discipline it. But Farage has kicked it all up, purely because he needed personal supporters for personal power, and saw this demographic as an untapped source of numbers.

What the fuck do you think he was hinting at with 'the truth is being withheld from us' when referring to 'known to security services' which is an obvious reference to the tweet about it being a Muslim asylum seeker fresh off a small boat?

If you're going to fall for the wide-eyed opened palmed innocent 'who me?' schtick from Mr Farage, then you're pretty gullible.

So you can tell someone to kill someone and if they do it they are not to blame?

Yes, of course. I blame all of them and more. Including the people who say "we would never riot BUT " and the "I've got friends who are black/brown/mottled BUT" brigade.

I'd like to ask each one of them personally why are they making my life and that of my children more difficult? Why are they putting me and my children at risk? Why are they trying to intimidate and hurt us? What have I done to them? What have my children done to them? What has my little 5 year old daughter done to them to justify this level of hatred directed against her, her baby brother, her father and me?

At some point today or tomorrow she will ask what the riots are about and why she has to stay at home and we will have to tell her it is because the colour of her skin is brown and some people don't like that. Some people dislike the colour of her skin enough to want to hurt her and people who look like her. How on earth do you explain that to a 5 year old without making her feel that the world is a shit, unfair and scary place to live in? Not just the world but the UK. Her town. Her home.

Well, they keep on shouting they're being silenced. They are bloody loud. It would be a miracle if there's anyone left who does not know they feel ignored.

No need to be rude and racist because I want an actual source.

And just so you're aware there are lots of non-Muslim people known to security services. It's not just Muslims, even if that's what you choose to believe.

They are in prison because they could have said no, I won't do it. But they did. There are very few cases where that person had a gun held to their head, or other severe coercion, to get involved.

Mass immigration is a concern to many, because of the expense and the diverting of resources. The system for assessing asylum claims is broken, it takes years to determine whether someone is a refugee or an economic migrant. Those who do enter the country aren't tracked, so many disappear into the black economy.

But while many have concerns, very few (and I doubt whether they even genuinely have concerns or whether they're just thugs) are rioting. They have used their agency to decide that rioting is something they abhor and they won't do it. Despite Nigel Farage, the Daily Mail or Suella Braverman.

Rude, fine. Racist, wtaf?

You do know that the 'reports' that Nigel Farage was referencing in his video specifically said that the murderer was a Muslim asylum seeker?

What reports about his being known to security services that weren't fake tweets about Muslim asylum seekers do you think Farage was referencing?

Well said.

Really?! Because it certainly feels like racist idiots have been heard and pandered to for years!!! The difference is they want to be taken seriously but can’t because they are too stupid, violent, irrational and SHOULD BE SHAMED for this behaviour. It’s not a silent minority with deep concerns about immigration policies. It’s a loud mob of angry racists who get up in arms every time they are told to take a gollyw*g doll out of their window.

Show me the video where he said they're Muslims? The clip in the article is talking about a quote where he says some reports suggests they're known to security services.

The only person who keeps saying Muslims is you.

Ah, so you are gullible enough to fall for his wide-eyed opened palmed innocent 'who me?' schtick.

If they are so deeply concerned with immigration rules and want “illegals” dealt with, then why are these absolute thugs planning to target immigration solicitors offices? Just seen reports of a planned riots a few towns over from mine, targeting these offices. What on earth justification is there of that if they are “not racist” but just want safe and legal immigration to be controlled. If they are so concerned with “illegals” and think they should have to work, contribute, assimilate to our way of life.. they might need a solicitor actually. But that’s not the point is it. Illegals is code for anyone not white.

Well considering previous targets included branches of Greggs and Shoezone, I don't believe joined-up thinking is really much of a factor. Or just plain old thinking, for that matter.

The political elite's on going agenda against the result of a democratic vote of Brexit that they didn't like and the demonising everyone who voted the wrong way has been far more damaging to society than the last week. They don't see it that way, of course, because they can rationalise it by saying how bad the outcomes are and the dumb racists voters didn't known what they were voting for, and they didn't even get a majority of all those eligible to vote, bla, bla, bla. Everyday on this site a posts uses 'they voted for brexit' as an insult or a judgement on someone's character. Continual sniping 'look at the queue at the airport, another win for Brexit🙄' the smug arrogance of we told you so, but no attempt to find solutions and move forward or even why it happened. Just dumb racists who were mislead.
But not accepting the result of a democratic vote and demonising those who voted in a majority is far more insidious to our society than what Farage says. Our politicians spent years trying to avoid doing what the majority voted for. Look back at some of the debates and what they said and tried to do. People again told the elite what they wanted by electing a PM on one message. Again, they were demonised.
So all those middle class, educated, privileged, progressive remainers who just can not bring themselves to accept a democratic vote, and there's plenty here, because it wasn't how they see life and because of the damage it caused, take a look at yourself before you start, yet again, blaming someone else.
You contributed and still do, to the feeling of powerlessness, marginalisation and victimisation these people feel and have created the vacuum for people like Farage to exploit.
The riots are extreme manifest of this, but there are millions more feeling the same who are law abiding.

Let's not forget newspapers like the Sun and the Daily Mail who are constantly printing negative things about Muslims and immigrants. They are hugely responsible in my opinion.

I absolutely think he is a major factor. I don't think we'd be in the same situation if he didn't exist - for some bizarre reason people like him. He is very, very dangerous and massively racist.

However, there are plenty of other people who have stoked the fires. I just don't think that without Nasty Nigel they'd have got quite so far.

Just watching lunchtime news. Democrat VP nominee speaking about the current Republicans "let's face it, these guys are creepy and just weird as hell". Applause. Can also be applied to Farage's fans and admirers.

So how's Brexit working out for you ClareBlue? Have you got what you wanted? Is this it?

Please expand a little on this suggestion that politicians spent years trying to avoid doing what the public voted for re: Brexit, because to my recollection there were absolutely no stipulations in the referendum question, rather it was straightforward "Remain, or Leave". We left, so to that extent

1. The politicians delivered exactly what the GBP voted for
2. Nobody has any basis whatsoever for arguing about specific caveats since none were ever a feature of the vote in the first place.

Th entire "Leave" proposition was nothing more than "Leave... and then sort it out", so it's hardly surprising it's turned into a completely predictable shambles. Nobody advocating "Leave" had any idea what it was they actually wanted beyond getting out of the EU, nor did they have any clue about how to go about it without causing utter chaos. Remember the "Brexit means Brexit" and other such banalities bandied about by Leavers?

They had no idea whatsoever what it was they wanted in the first place and never specified anything beyond "Get out of the EU", so it's risible for them to now turn around and make the claim "this isn't the Brexit we voted for".

You can't blame Farage.

The blame lies with this and past governments who have ignored the general public's opinion that is they dont want their hard earned taxes spent on young men who have left a safe country to come here illegally.

Definitely

Have we not left the EU then, has Brexit not happened? The vote was accepted and processes put in place that ironically made the lives of those who voted for it worse. You can’t blame a bit of snark for the riots. They still got what they voted for.

it seems the real reason behind the riots is We did Brexit, Life is harder, and I still have to live around people who don’t look or sound like me. That wasn’t the dream of Brexit was it.

Possibly but they're often only saying what a lot of people are thinking.

Bottom line is people are fed up, have had enough.

I agree that all on your list must shoulder some responsibility, but I would also add Rishi Sunak.

He enabled and defended Johnson to the hilt right up until he was no longer politically useful to him and one of his first acts as PM was to give Braverman her job back. Sunak may not necessarily be a 'far-right' politician but when it became clear that the electorate were disillusioned with his (lack of) leadership and that blaming everything on covid wasn't going to wash, he was quite happy to lean into far-right anti-immigrant rhetoric, allowing it to become normalised, in a pathetic attempt to claw back some votes from Reform.