To blame Nigel Farage personally for this mess.

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Some people are fundamentally unpleasant. We know that. Some people. a tiny minority, hold views that are unacceptable to general society. We had a system whereby they knew they were better off keeping their poison silent in their heads. Farage has given them a cloak of respectability, and a way of connecting with other likeminded psychos. And he has organised them. Now look where we are.

It is going to be interesting to see how many people convicted for these riots are the same people convicted in 2011. Some people will just jump on any excuse to join in and stir up disorder.

These people would be better off finding a sporting outlet for their energy and aggression, and learning to discipline it. But Farage has kicked it all up, purely because he needed personal supporters for personal power, and saw this demographic as an untapped source of numbers.

Surely someone is blaming Russian involvement.

Mrs Thatcher never said there is no community. A narrative embedded by the left to create a soundbite to latch onto for those easily lead and not worried about truth, if it suites their agenda.
A bit like all the comments about Farage manipulating working class white people on this thread with untruths.
It's also interesting it's changed from 'no society' to 'no community' over time. At least the speech actually involved the words no society but it was in response to people saying society should pay for higher education not individual students. She said there is no such thing as 'society' picking up the bill, it is everyone who pays taxes picking up the bill.
And that's become she said their is 'no such thing as community'.
Manipulation and untruths aren't exclusive to any side of these debates.
But the bankruptcy in moral leadership and no accountability for telling lies that Johnson and Trump have perpetuated has created a toxic agenda where truth doesn't matter, honesty and acceptance of other views is seen as a weakness and hatred and anger are seen as valid responses.
MPs got named and suspended from the commons last week for shouting and making unfounded alegations, not taking instruction from the Speaker or following correct parliamentary procedure. But that's fine because they were just being passionate on behalf of their constituency.
The toxic political agenda we find ourselves in goes well past Farage and Robinson.

The seeds for this were sown with that idiot Tony Blair not taking advantage of the 7 year brake on FOM from the new accession countries back in 2004. Their estimates that up to 50,000 would come to Britain were wrong by magnitudes.

This country already had very deep ties with Pakistan and India and our own culture, demographic and towns reflected that. Coupled with 50k net migration from the old Europe (France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc) we seemed to be much more cohesive and sure of ourselves. There have always been racists but they were kept in check.

Eastern Europe is very homogenous and their governments are keen to keep their countries that way. I have EE friends who are so racist it renders me speechless. I've fallen out with one friend over it. She told me our country was in a mess, there were too many people and we'd let too many Pakis in. She used the word monkey a lot. How can we say with any certainty that the uptick in hate speech is not down to this demographic?

The referendum we should have had was the one on the Lisbon Treaty and our politicians refused to let us have it, despite promising. They knew what the answer would be so we weren't given the question. That was back in 2007. The Irish voted against it. Had others been given the opportunity, they would likely have done the same. Legitimate concerns on the volume of inward migration have been shut down for 2 decades. The official ONS statistics on population number was already being challenged in 2007, with 1 large supermarket suggesting that we had 77 million living here, against 2001 census figures of 59 million. The official numbers for 2024 are 69 million, 8 million fewer than that supermarket estimated we already had back in 2007.

The rioters are easily led numbskulls and likely to be repenting their idiocy at His Majesty's pleasure. The real culprits however, are our politicians who have sat back and watched this unfolding for decades. Farage is just a small cog in a much bigger wheel. Had immigration and corresponding infrastructure been managed properly from the outset, it is unlikely Farage would ever have gained traction.

His actions are an example of what my dear departed grandmother referred to as giving someone ‘medicine after death’.
He has stoked the flames of hatred by spreading misinformation and disinformation and then when he is called out on it condemns the protest.

He has to take a share of the responsibility but he's certainly not the only one on that end of the political spectrum that needs to.

There are many, many factors that lead to events like these. Putting it all at the door of one person is massively overly simplistic.

If we can’t have a decent analysis of how things happen, we can’t hope to stop them happening again.

Ok, well what misinformation and disinformation has he spread?

I don’t blame him these scum were active long before him and will be after
I don’t know why people keep going to Nigel Farage about this when the likes of Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate do the most on social media to incite tension-how to happen to be around the same age group as these scum
i don’t see farage on telegram inciting this crap but I see the others

As someone said when responding to the enthusiastic support that social media has given a voice to those that never had a voice before,
'There's good reasons why they never had a voice before'😂

Idiocracy watches more and more like a documentary every day.

He actually admitted spreading misinformation about the ethnicity and religion of the Southport attacker.
He got the information from the great ‘philosopher’ of our time Andrew Tate

But he 'spreads' the same message to everyone it is only the 'misunderstood' who believe it

People would have to seek him out to hear or see it it doesn't fall in their laps so they could easily seek out proper reliable information

They choose not too

More similar to the Dublin riots in 2023 than the 2011 London riots. Unlikely that it will be the same people convicted as the 2011 London riots were triggered by the death of Mark Duggan as pointed out by a previous poster. Suspect most of the rioters will have been too young to have participated in the 2011 riots.

They’ve only been in power 4 weeks.

Do you have a source please? I'd love to see him apologising and admitting he gets his info from Andrew Tate.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nigel-farage-has-admitted-spreading-misinformation-from-andrew-tate-about-the-southport-killings/ar-AA1omIBP

Previous governments included

We can blame whoever we want but it doesn’t change the fact that those people you’ve listed aren’t there rioting. It’s normal people rioting, people that are angry and exasperated and somewhat racist. People that are sick to the back teeth of not being heard or listened to. Demonising and shaming people makes their behaviours and attitudes worse so you could also blame yourself really.

The real strange thing is that all those out rioting have more in common with the immigrant population than any other sectors of society. All of them are being screwed over by policies that benefit wealth concentration, globalisation and ensuring cheap labour to make the ruling elite richer.
If immigration stopped tomorrow the lives of those seen on the streets wouldn't improve one iota. It's a wealth distribution thing and how we want to be as a society, not an imigration thing.

Thank you for this but I think this must be the wrong source because he didn't mention ethnicity or religion on this.

I've found this:
Farage also said, “the police say it is a non-terror incident,” but added: “I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/farage-sparks-outrage-with-response-to-southport-knife-attack_uk_66a9e7d9e4b0e33a3bb88c94

But if you find anything else, please share it with me.

100% this! You could say people protested 'peacefully' by voting for Brexit.
That should have served as a warning to many. But people refused to listen to and engage with their concerns - especially when it was much easier to call Brexit voters 'racists'.

And now here we are. As they say, 'you reap what you sow'...

Long interview with Farage and Tom Swarbrick on lbc website. From yesterday. Or will be on Utube too. He's a tetchy old bugger isn't he? Yup. Andrew Tate is a "source". Don't think he fully grasped the impact of admitting that so he'll be denying he ever said it by now. 'Not me guv, I've been set up'. Tosser

How, precisely, are they "not being heard or listened to"?

Sorry, but how are people still not understanding incitement?!

Thank you! Will watch it now.