Are people on Mumsnet secretly racist or what?

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So many posters not being called out. They say blatantly racist things and back it up with "You can't keep shutting us down by calling us racist". It's because you're a racist assh*le.

Comments aren't even being deleted. Last month, you called YOURSELF a Karen you'll have pages and pages of people telling you off.

@RedToothBrush I am unsure what you are disagreeing about?

People can still be racist if they are being given power and control?

Stifling healthy debates can give rise to more hate crime?

Justification for racist behaviours can embolden certain population (who lack education and social inclusion) into carrying out more hate crime?

By the way the question still leaves unanswered. Appreciate you might not be able to but since you have proven to have great insight into how these rioters feel and think (and I do not mean this in a sarcastic way), I am still keen to understand why these people are targeting the wrong social class. Could the skin colour be the prime factor?

Tell me how you deal with comments on MN in a better way then? How do you deal with opinions and thoughts? You just shift the conversation elsewhere. A UK based website is much better placed to deal with those conversations than a US based site (not least because MN is under UK law jurisdictions so if there are comments which are inciting violence MN are under reasonable arguments to disclose any information they may have about that individual).

Do you think I'm condoning violence? Do you think I'm even sympathetising with it? I'm not.

Are you saying that violence is the same as comments on MN? Do you think the violence came from conversations on MN?

Its not about my skin colour. You can try and make out it is. I'm pragmatic about how people behave and what ultimately changes hearts and minds. What we might want isn't necessarily what will actually work. I don't think there's a quick fix that's the issue.

My problem with what you are saying is I think you are conflating TWO separate but distinct issues here. There's yes, there's two separate groups.

Yougov has done a poll today and even support for the riots amongst Reform voters is a significant minority.

Thus we HAVE to treat them as two. One which is an actual threat and one which isn't.

There IS incitement to hatred going on online and social media and that a problem. But I also think that's distinct from people making ignorant points but in good faith because they are scared.

There's lots of scared people, to different degrees and with different levels of legitimacy. Some of it justified and some of it not. Some of this fear is born of prejudice, so you have to offer reassurance. That comes from dealing with shit questions and comments. Not just shouting racist.

If you say they are the same, you aren't marginalising the thugs and the racists. You want to reduce the size of that group and then work on the other group in a totally different way.

It's about the entrenched and the misguided. If you push the misguided the wrong way they entrench. The misguided are still open to conversations.

I wish it were different. Really I do.

You give power in areas of their life they havent got it. That's about opportunities and not letting the far right have the space to exploit this lack of life opportunity and levels of poverty.

You misinterpret what I'm saying somewhat.

Power and control is about feeling you have a stake and worth to society as an individual. It's not about repellent views. People turn to repellent views because they don't feel life is worth much otherwise.

@RedToothBrush such a shame about these marginalised communities. Unfortunately there's very limited chances of them realising that foreigners are not the problem, the government is.

I am baffled as to how acting out these frustrations on the minorities and making them the scapegoats can elevate their social standing and identify. Doesn't that actually make them the coward?

Yes of course it does.

Fwiw just had a conversation with someone who has had their plans for tomorrow inconvenienced.

"I've mostly ignored it because it's never affected me in the past. Just pricks being pricks. But as soon as it does it angers me".

That's why I say it's not going to end well for thugs.

Right now it's terrifying for many. But longer term it will led to a proper crackdown and these thugs aren't going to be well received for shitting on their own doorsteps.

The public mood won't tolerate a soft response to the violence. It's angering people who normally see it as 'someone else's problem' because suddenly it actually is their problem too. It should not be like that but thats human nature.

I have faith that it isn't something that it's going to become a bigger issue for those reasons.

We are in the middle of things and people are trying to make sense of it all. It doesn't come from nowhere, but equally I don't think it's reflective of a problem that's as deep as others fear it to be either.