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Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?

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Safi7 · 05/08/2024 00:31

So Farage now has a video statement on Twitter claiming that the current rioting is “nothing in comparison to what is to come.”

Anyone else hearing reverberations of Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech back in the 70s?

He is also, ‘just putting it out there’ that the police and authorities are ‘withholding the truth’ - ie. insinuating that the murderer in the Southport tragedy was actually acting on behalf of a wider terrorist network and this is being hushed.

If this isn’t inciting fear, paranoia, violence and division, I don’t know what is!

I notice he’s gone very quiet about his pathetic accusation that Channel 4 tried to set-up Reform by somehow planting an ‘actor’ to trundle around Clacton spouting racist filth.

No Nigel, you know full well who that campaigner was - and the other Reform campaigners in Clacton caught on camera with their hate speech. These are your people.

I cannot abide this man. The damage he had caused to the U.K. I have been abroad this last month and don’t want to come back. Years and years he’s been provoking hate. He has ruined the country with Brexit - but he always has someone else to blame. I don’t think I’ve ever despised a U.K. politician so much. How much longer do we have to tolerate this?

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Magn01a · 05/08/2024 11:41

User8646382 · 05/08/2024 11:25

I was reading an article about David Miliband the other day. Apparently, he is on a million pound salary in his position of president and chief executive officer of a refugee ‘charity’ funded to the tune of 33 million a year by the British government. Naturally, the charity is ‘in the red’.

His ‘chief operating officer’ was his former special advisor in government.

You couldn’t make it up. No wonder they don’t want to stop the boats.

Ah a good old Daily Wail article.It’s an American charity based in New York where David Miliband lives and is paid accordingly.

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/08/2024 11:41

….. An extended period of serious civil unrest, potentially even a civil war. It is that serious“

Oh stop it. It’s a few hundred idiots.

User8646382 · 05/08/2024 11:43

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 11:41

Ah a good old Daily Wail article.It’s an American charity based in New York where David Miliband lives and is paid accordingly.

So the British government didn’t pay 33 million to this ‘charity’ last year?

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 11:43

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 11:39

I don't think you can minimise it like that. This issue has been brewing for decades.

Many of these people that are rioting are totally disenfranchised in their own towns and cities, and feel entirely ignored by most of the decision makers. I was shocked by the boldness, I was appalled by the racist incidents but I am totally unsurprised by this development.

This section of society tried the democratic way, and they were failed in their view, the immigration policy of the current Labour government is non existent - what did Labour expect exactly? That they could cancel the only alternative to uncontrolled illegal immigration therefore giving the green light to millions of economic migrants and not expect any consequences here???
Seriously?

It seems to me that the current Labour government are absolutely clueless, if they had paused, and listened to advice - they would have put into place a coherent policy for immigration control before scrapping anything, they would have carefully laid out the plan for the next five years or longer and explained it clearly to the nation, how they will move forward and control and secure our country and its borders.

The truth is they have no such plan, because Labour do not care how many more millions will arrive or where they will live or how they will be paid for, because they are blind to the impact it has on real communities and wish to virtue signal rather than to actually lead and engage.

They have become a hapless government that were way too cavalier and indifferent and now we are seeing the results of their poor judgement.

Calling the rioters thugs will only incite more anger and more violence, I can not understand why Starmer would use such language and inflame the issue. Instead of engaging with the root of their anger, which is the ONLY way forward and I fear Starmer and his hapless, checked out cabinet do not have the bandwidth to work outside of their very small metro bubble.

I want to see Starmer travel to some of these towns and cities tomorrow, sleeves rolled up and instead of furthering division, I want him to sit down and discuss the root issue, or this WILL be Labour's lasting legacy. An extended period of serious civil unrest, potentially even a civil war. It is that serious, Starmer can not afford to get this wrong. This is going to blow up his administration before it has even started if he does not engage as a proper leader, and actually address the issues at the core of these riots.

Can someone please tell Starmer the election campaign is over and he is now the Prime Minister and that means representing all parts of society and not just the ones he agrees with!

Edited

Calling the rioters thugs will only incite more anger and more violence, I can not understand why Starmer would use such language and inflame the issue. Instead of engaging with the root of their anger, which is the ONLY way forward and I fear Starmer and his hapless check out cabinet do not have the bandwidth to work outside of their very small metro bubble.

Calling someone a thug because they are being one isn't an issue. If they don't want to be labelled a thug, don't act like one. We aren't calling peaceful protestors thugs. We're rightfully calling out those who are using violence as an intimidation tactic. The root of their anger isn't correct, he can't actually engage with them on the root of their anger as they think it's one thing when it's actually many different issues added together. But they won't listen.

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 11:44

I want to see Starmer travel to some of these towns and cities tomorrow, sleeves rolled up and instead of furthering division, I want him to sit down and discuss the root issue

What’s the point of that when the ringleaders don’t even live in the places where they incited riot?

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 11:46

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 11:39

I don't think you can minimise it like that. This issue has been brewing for decades.

Many of these people that are rioting are totally disenfranchised in their own towns and cities, and feel entirely ignored by most of the decision makers. I was shocked by the boldness, I was appalled by the racist incidents but I am totally unsurprised by this development.

This section of society tried the democratic way, and they were failed in their view, the immigration policy of the current Labour government is non existent - what did Labour expect exactly? That they could cancel the only alternative to uncontrolled illegal immigration therefore giving the green light to millions of economic migrants and not expect any consequences here???
Seriously?

It seems to me that the current Labour government are absolutely clueless, if they had paused, and listened to advice - they would have put into place a coherent policy for immigration control before scrapping anything, they would have carefully laid out the plan for the next five years or longer and explained it clearly to the nation, how they will move forward and control and secure our country and its borders.

The truth is they have no such plan, because Labour do not care how many more millions will arrive or where they will live or how they will be paid for, because they are blind to the impact it has on real communities and wish to virtue signal rather than to actually lead and engage.

They have become a hapless government that were way too cavalier and indifferent and now we are seeing the results of their poor judgement.

Calling the rioters thugs will only incite more anger and more violence, I can not understand why Starmer would use such language and inflame the issue. Instead of engaging with the root of their anger, which is the ONLY way forward and I fear Starmer and his hapless, checked out cabinet do not have the bandwidth to work outside of their very small metro bubble.

I want to see Starmer travel to some of these towns and cities tomorrow, sleeves rolled up and instead of furthering division, I want him to sit down and discuss the root issue, or this WILL be Labour's lasting legacy. An extended period of serious civil unrest, potentially even a civil war. It is that serious, Starmer can not afford to get this wrong. This is going to blow up his administration before it has even started if he does not engage as a proper leader, and actually address the issues at the core of these riots.

Can someone please tell Starmer the election campaign is over and he is now the Prime Minister and that means representing all parts of society and not just the ones he agrees with!

Edited

So nobody is allowed to call thugs and rioters thugs and rioters now?

“That they could cancel the only alternative to uncontrolled illegal immigration” you mean Rwanda!!😂

”Disenfranchised”!!!Um the left and Remainers have been disenfranchised for 14 years and told to get over it. The right have been out of power for 5 minutes and apparantly can’t handle it. Where was the rioting the last 14 years from the disenfranchised left if this kind of behaviour is ok?

Bellsandthistle · 05/08/2024 11:48

“Um the left and Remainers have been disenfranchised for 14 years”

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🥴

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 11:49

User8646382 · 05/08/2024 11:43

So the British government didn’t pay 33 million to this ‘charity’ last year?

Some context for anyone who doesn’t want to rely on the DM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rescue_Committee#Finances

International Rescue Committee - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rescue_Committee#Finances

bombastix · 05/08/2024 11:50

Midnightalready · 05/08/2024 11:01

Very much so. And disgusted with how it operates at the moment.

You have a good degree from one of the best universities in the world. One that has been committed to rationality and reason for hundreds of years.

If you think the elite are out of order, you are well placed to change it aren’t you?

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 11:51

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 11:39

I don't think you can minimise it like that. This issue has been brewing for decades.

Many of these people that are rioting are totally disenfranchised in their own towns and cities, and feel entirely ignored by most of the decision makers. I was shocked by the boldness, I was appalled by the racist incidents but I am totally unsurprised by this development.

This section of society tried the democratic way, and they were failed in their view, the immigration policy of the current Labour government is non existent - what did Labour expect exactly? That they could cancel the only alternative to uncontrolled illegal immigration therefore giving the green light to millions of economic migrants and not expect any consequences here???
Seriously?

It seems to me that the current Labour government are absolutely clueless, if they had paused, and listened to advice - they would have put into place a coherent policy for immigration control before scrapping anything, they would have carefully laid out the plan for the next five years or longer and explained it clearly to the nation, how they will move forward and control and secure our country and its borders.

The truth is they have no such plan, because Labour do not care how many more millions will arrive or where they will live or how they will be paid for, because they are blind to the impact it has on real communities and wish to virtue signal rather than to actually lead and engage.

They have become a hapless government that were way too cavalier and indifferent and now we are seeing the results of their poor judgement.

Calling the rioters thugs will only incite more anger and more violence, I can not understand why Starmer would use such language and inflame the issue. Instead of engaging with the root of their anger, which is the ONLY way forward and I fear Starmer and his hapless, checked out cabinet do not have the bandwidth to work outside of their very small metro bubble.

I want to see Starmer travel to some of these towns and cities tomorrow, sleeves rolled up and instead of furthering division, I want him to sit down and discuss the root issue, or this WILL be Labour's lasting legacy. An extended period of serious civil unrest, potentially even a civil war. It is that serious, Starmer can not afford to get this wrong. This is going to blow up his administration before it has even started if he does not engage as a proper leader, and actually address the issues at the core of these riots.

Can someone please tell Starmer the election campaign is over and he is now the Prime Minister and that means representing all parts of society and not just the ones he agrees with!

Edited

The Labour policy on immigration is not non existent. The reality is that we have a massive elderly population, and a shrinking working population. This is unsustainable. The reality is that we NEED immigration to support ourselves. The other reality is that, as climate change worsens, we're going to have a much bigger issue around immigration and, basically, we're going to have to budge up and make room. People aren't going to like that, but unfortunately, that's just the reality of it. If we try and 'batten down the hatches', we'll end up with war.

I'm pretty sure Labour are smart enough to know all this. The right has stoked up the immigration issue for years, whereas in fact it was the last Government that ruined lives, made housing unaffordable for most, and drove down wages. Now they've been kicked out of power, and people who are too stupid to realise how they've been hoodwinked are taking it out on the wrong people. I actually don't think it's a difficult or complex issue at all. Areas of the UK have been run down deliberately by Government (and yes, largely Tory governments) and because poor people - who are often immigrants - live in these areas, the immigrants have got the blame.

Some people are using the riots to try and attack Starmer. He's been in power for five minutes, so this isn't on him - except in the sense that the right wing are livid about the prospect of him taking their whipping boy away and transforming the country into a tolerant and decent place again.

There's not going to be a civil war. These unfit idiots setting police cars on fire wouldn't last a minute if the army was involved.

Clavinova · 05/08/2024 11:52

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2024 10:08

"By calling these people right wing thugs. "

Which people? The ones dragging taxi drivers out of cars? Or the ones burning libraries.

He didn't actually call anyone thugs by the way.

"This is what Starmer actually said after Southport: "A response both to the immediate challenge. Which is clearly driven by far-right hatred. But also - all violent disorder that flares up. Whatever the apparent cause or motivation – we make no distinction. Crime is crime".

x.com/dpjhodges/status/1820015281734848872?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

However I'm happy to call violent people thugs.

He didn't actually call anyone thugs by the way

Yes he did - before and after your quote;

A gang of thugs, got on trains and busses…
Went to a community that is not their own…

These thugs are mobile…
They move from community to community…

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-minister-keir-starmers-statement-in-downing-street-1-august

AnonymousBleep · 05/08/2024 11:54

Clavinova · 05/08/2024 11:52

He didn't actually call anyone thugs by the way

Yes he did - before and after your quote;

A gang of thugs, got on trains and busses…
Went to a community that is not their own…

These thugs are mobile…
They move from community to community…

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-minister-keir-starmers-statement-in-downing-street-1-august

I'm fine with him calling thugs thugs. Idiots would also do. Or twats.

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 11:54

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 11:39

I don't think you can minimise it like that. This issue has been brewing for decades.

Many of these people that are rioting are totally disenfranchised in their own towns and cities, and feel entirely ignored by most of the decision makers. I was shocked by the boldness, I was appalled by the racist incidents but I am totally unsurprised by this development.

This section of society tried the democratic way, and they were failed in their view, the immigration policy of the current Labour government is non existent - what did Labour expect exactly? That they could cancel the only alternative to uncontrolled illegal immigration therefore giving the green light to millions of economic migrants and not expect any consequences here???
Seriously?

It seems to me that the current Labour government are absolutely clueless, if they had paused, and listened to advice - they would have put into place a coherent policy for immigration control before scrapping anything, they would have carefully laid out the plan for the next five years or longer and explained it clearly to the nation, how they will move forward and control and secure our country and its borders.

The truth is they have no such plan, because Labour do not care how many more millions will arrive or where they will live or how they will be paid for, because they are blind to the impact it has on real communities and wish to virtue signal rather than to actually lead and engage.

They have become a hapless government that were way too cavalier and indifferent and now we are seeing the results of their poor judgement.

Calling the rioters thugs will only incite more anger and more violence, I can not understand why Starmer would use such language and inflame the issue. Instead of engaging with the root of their anger, which is the ONLY way forward and I fear Starmer and his hapless, checked out cabinet do not have the bandwidth to work outside of their very small metro bubble.

I want to see Starmer travel to some of these towns and cities tomorrow, sleeves rolled up and instead of furthering division, I want him to sit down and discuss the root issue, or this WILL be Labour's lasting legacy. An extended period of serious civil unrest, potentially even a civil war. It is that serious, Starmer can not afford to get this wrong. This is going to blow up his administration before it has even started if he does not engage as a proper leader, and actually address the issues at the core of these riots.

Can someone please tell Starmer the election campaign is over and he is now the Prime Minister and that means representing all parts of society and not just the ones he agrees with!

Edited

Yeah we should all just sit down for a nice chat with people chanting that Muslims are paedophiles before they lob a brick at a police officer and set fire to someone's car and tell them that domestic terrorism is the way to get your chosen policies in place and of course smashing up cities doesn't make you a thug, you're just soooo misunderstood.

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2024 11:56

Thanks Clav. I hadn't read the full speech.

So he did refer to those dragging taxi drivers out of their cars, burning libraries and hotels, putting police in hospital, looting Greggs/Lush/Iceland etc as thugs.

Seems about right.

IClaudine · 05/08/2024 11:56

Bloody lefties and their woke nonsense.

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2024 11:57

Police also referring to thuggery.

So far we have six arrests... one in Sheffield and five in Rotherham'

South Yorkshire Police, Assistant Chief Constable Lindsey Butterfield delivers a statement, calling the weekend's riots 'a disgusting display of thuggery'

Latest ➡️ trib.al/lhjdz0C

x.com/skynews/status/1820404296082403830?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

BeachParty · 05/08/2024 11:58

Clavinova · 05/08/2024 11:52

He didn't actually call anyone thugs by the way

Yes he did - before and after your quote;

A gang of thugs, got on trains and busses…
Went to a community that is not their own…

These thugs are mobile…
They move from community to community…

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-minister-keir-starmers-statement-in-downing-street-1-august

A gang of thugs, got on trains and busses
Went to a community that is not their own

These thugs are mobile…

Those people who are burning buildings and looting shops ARE thugs though.
What would you like them to be called instead?
Why are people like yourself conflating the "we've just got valid concerns, honest" people with these thugs?
If it is just honest concerns, and you don't go around smashing up things and burning buildings, he's not referring to you, is he?
So why feel so personally attacked?
Unless on some level you know that you're like these thugs a bit yourself and share their views ...

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 11:59

HaveToStopTheWorld · 05/08/2024 11:54

Yeah we should all just sit down for a nice chat with people chanting that Muslims are paedophiles before they lob a brick at a police officer and set fire to someone's car and tell them that domestic terrorism is the way to get your chosen policies in place and of course smashing up cities doesn't make you a thug, you're just soooo misunderstood.

And your solution is to just allow things to carry on, and to get worse. To continue with the dehumanising language on both sides and make no effort whatsoever to understand and engage with millions of people in this country?

I am glad you do not work for the UN!

A peaceful society depends entirely on consent, if some parts of society are withdrawing consent and are reduced to creating civil unrest because they do not feel heard or seen then you can expect things to get far, far worse.

Magn01a · 05/08/2024 12:00

BIossomtoes · 05/08/2024 11:49

Some context for anyone who doesn’t want to rely on the DM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rescue_Committee#Finances

We pay to the independent UK IRC

register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/3938690/charity-overview

BeachParty · 05/08/2024 12:00

Notonthestairs · 05/08/2024 11:56

Thanks Clav. I hadn't read the full speech.

So he did refer to those dragging taxi drivers out of their cars, burning libraries and hotels, putting police in hospital, looting Greggs/Lush/Iceland etc as thugs.

Seems about right.

Exactly, those doing that ARE thugs.

CurlewKate · 05/08/2024 12:01

@Hummingbird75 "Calling the rioters thugs will only incite more anger and more violence, I can not understand why Starmer would use such language and inflame the issue. "

What should he call them? Freedom fighters? Political activists?

IClaudine · 05/08/2024 12:01

Concerned citizens.

The one on the left has done a very good job of making sure he can't be identified, though. These thugs are wily.

Farage inciting hate and division - Hos much longer do we have to endure this hideous individual?
Northernnature · 05/08/2024 12:05

Yes and Farage is also responsible for the similar riots in Ireland, France and other places across Western Europe (which haven't actually been reported on much by our crap media). Oh wait....

Alwaystired94 · 05/08/2024 12:05

Hummingbird75 · 05/08/2024 11:59

And your solution is to just allow things to carry on, and to get worse. To continue with the dehumanising language on both sides and make no effort whatsoever to understand and engage with millions of people in this country?

I am glad you do not work for the UN!

A peaceful society depends entirely on consent, if some parts of society are withdrawing consent and are reduced to creating civil unrest because they do not feel heard or seen then you can expect things to get far, far worse.

Very victim blamey there. Withdrawing consent is perfectly valid x

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