Very much looking forward to the court cases

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Absolute sub-human scum rioting in the streets. Attacking hotels with humans inside. Burning down libraries and CABs. Pretending it’s about immigration when it’s just mindless animal violence.

I am very much looking forward to their days in court. Starting point for Violent Disorder - two years. Attempted Murder? Life sentence.

Not so hard now, are you lads? Fuck you all. I just sympathise with their wives and kids cos a sentence like that means saying goodbye to any social housing they might live in.

And they filmed themselves. I hope they live in fear of that knock on the door for years. Then when it comes, I hope they realise that they’ve ruined their lives.

Them, and the traitors who encouraged them.

Scumbags one and all.

And frankly I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m being unreasonable or not.

Is op supposed to be joyful?? 🙄

“mindless animal violence.”

Mindless human violence you mean.

I think it unlikely they would lose their home.their wives and children have done nothing wrong.i think their behaviour is deplorable. Many of them don't have jobs anyway. Starmer says he wants less people jailed as well. A long sentence and loss of home doesn't seem likely to me

They should all be put in orange jumpsuits, chained together & paraded through the streets before they even see the inside of a prison cell. When they are in prison they should be put to work & anything they earn should be given to the communities they wrecked, no privileges, just eat, work & sleep. It would be good if hard labour could be brought back, make them work so hard that they just go to their cells & collapse each day of their sentence, no cushy jobs, no televisions & PlayStations just hard back breaking work.

That article about the rioters stopping cars in Middlesbrough to check the drivers’ ethnicities has scared me (it is all frightening, not just that I know). And the fact that there are 5 Reform MPs - how many will there be after the next elections 😞?

As if people have a choice. Ridiculous comment.

I think they need to have many more community service type initiatives where these mindless thugs have to rebuild every single bit of what they destroyed, replace every door, broken window, or item of smashed street furniture, and put it all back in to good working order eight hours a day , six days a week, and then clean up all the streets afterwards too. Ditto all the charred and smashed up cars.

No suprise, Tata steel are an Indian owned company. What a plonker, outing yourself as a violent racist to your Indian company 😁

Yes TV News have been very quiet on this.
I wonder why

The checking race of drivers thing is chilling. I know it's just one more hideous detail from a horrendously violent riot, but yes it has undertones.

Hopefully the people who voted Reform as a protest vote will back away from them quite rapidly now.

Yeah well I don't think anyone is bringing back a Dickensian range of punishments just for these specific arseholes.

Good job too because can you imagine how their martyr complexes would grow in response?

This is getting scary when the people who oppose the fascists are sounding like the "flogging is too good for them". No amount of colourful suggestions about what should be done to them are helping at all.

Anyone around who has insight into the 2011 riots and the legal effort to process all those offenders through the system? Are we looking at the same again?

Exactly. I’m wondering where all these prison spaces are coming from too.

I seem to remember last time the court cases happened quickly, like the week after the riots with sentences handed out that week. Will be interesting to see if everything moves that quickly this time.

Interesting and thorough summary of the 2011 prosecution proceedings here eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/90752/1/Final%20BJC%20article%20for%20Symplectics.pdf eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/90752/1/Final%20BJC%20article%20for%20Symplectics.pdf]]]]

So in 2011 by the Tuesday afternoon of the week after the riots 1277 rioters had been through the magistrates court, 64% had been remanded in custody. Sentences were handed out at hearings and seems like 4 years was the max anyone got for rioting.

Some good proactive policing going on here.
Not quite so with the grooming gangs.
Trying to recall who was DPP back then.........

I have no data as to how many if any possessions have been made using these grounds, but do agree that again, as rioting is mainly, but not all men that their actions again are likely to negatively impact women and children.* *

I don't think there is similar legislation for those who own their home.

Perhaps by default if mortgages cannot be paid due to prison and job losses?

That was efficient. So we have a model for it then.

Thanks for that.

So we can get courts moving to process these rioters but people who've been sexually attacked or had relatives murdered are waiting in excess of 2 years + for the trials of the people accused

I guess the difference is that for a murder, etc both sides need more time to prepare a defence or prosecution. If someone I knew had been murdered I’d want the prosecution to have all the time in the world to prepared the case to ensure a conviction. Wheras these cases there sent much of a question about whether someone is guilty or not, they will have been caught red handed and likely on CCTV.

even with the recent Southport murders where you could say well they have the person responsible any delay will be for medical assessment I’d have thought.

Wasn't that the idiot who was bitten on his bum by a Malinois?!

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"I guess the difference is that for a murder, etc both sides need more time to prepare a defence or prosecution. If someone I knew had been murdered I’d want the prosecution to have all the time in the world to prepared the case to ensure a conviction. Wheras these cases there sent much of a question about whether someone is guilty or not, they will have been caught red handed and likely on CCTV.

even with the recent Southport murders where you could say well they have the person responsible any delay will be for medical assessment I’d have thought."

I do get what you're saying but this morning there was a news segment on BBC news discussing the impact of massive back logs in the courts. However over the weekend Kier said the courts would be made to sit longer etc to clear these thugs but it can't sit longer to clear the back log of some of the most serious cases?

Courts sitting longer isn't as simple as that - unfortunately.

A court sitting longer to clear a murder or rape case doesn't work unless the case is ready to go. Also these cases are often heard in front of a jury.

Someone caught at a riot and with cctv, body cam footage actually committing the crime doesn't require witnesses and a jury. Even the defence is just for policy. To meet the requirements of a fair trial.

It's not the same as proving someone who wasn't seen committing murder - committed the murder.

But that's not to say I don't agree it's atrocious how far behind our courts are and the backlog of cases is acceptable.

the courts would be made to sit longer etc to clear these thugs but it can't sit longer to clear the back log of some of the most serious cases?

In 2011, lawyers and court staff were going without sleep to address the emergency and push the cases through. I was VAWG, for example, and as considered more of an emergency, but equally it's not the kind of sudden crisis for which people can be persuaded to work emergency hours.