Michael Jackson

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Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled?

I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere.

After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly.

I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

But that’s only your opinion isn’t it ? Other people clearly disagree. That doesn’t make them bizarre, just mature enough to recognise that he wasn’t convicted of anything and able to separate out their enjoyment of his music.

Are you prepared to cancel most hollywood movies, we all know about the casting couch harassments, young actresses/actors coerced into sexual favours, same thing happens in the music industry. Boy George was on prime British TV even though he assaulted a young male escort and there are many more perverts who still work in the industry. MJ was tried and found innocent and his music is here to stay forever, he will never be cancelled by those who love him. Even if he was found guilty I would still listen to his music. You are free to cancel any artist but his music is loved by millions worldwide. Personally I do not believe any of the accusations, their interest has always been about how much money they can get out of him, he was a cash cow for too many people.

What principle though ? He wasn’t found guilty of anything. The evidence against Saville was overwhelming.

Yes exactly. But why let the facts get in the way of a good bashing of an innocent men eh? 😎

Where is the proof that JC wasn’t lying ? Just because he reasserted that he’d been abused in a later court case, doesn’t make it any truer than the first time round. And it doesn’t make MJ a paedophile however much you want it to be true.

One of the guys from the documentary auditioned to be on one of the posthumous MJ tours, but didn’t get it. Why would you want to do that if that person had abused you? It was years after his death. It’s easy to get money from someone once they’re dead and can’t defend themselves.

Michael was found unanimously not guilty. His accusers have been proven to lie. There is a plethora of facts that support the fact that Michael was innocent.

Just because you read in a magazine or see it on a tv screen don’t make it factual!

No documentary has produced conclusive evidence. It’s just more conjecture dressed up as ‘proof innit ?’

I agree. Nothing was proven. But I think that it is the PARENTS who should be charged for pimping out their children to a stranger for money. Wasn't there a case recently about a 15 year old American boy who had shot school mates and his parents were charged for giving him a gun for Christmas?

Who hands their children out to stay with a stranger?

The parents made money of MJ then and they're doing it now. It's impossible to know what did or didn't happen.

Think it’s you that’s trolling here. Puberty can occur as early as 9, so could be say a ‘post pubescent’ 11 year old who looks ‘much older’ and can’t fault any red-blooded man from thinking she’s fair game? Proving Elvis fans can be as nuts as Jacko defenders.

There was no court case connected to Saville, but there was irrefutable proof of what he did - hundreds came forward with similar credible stories of being abused. Saville manipulated his way into jobs and voluntary work where he had access to his victims. He also had considerable influence in high places and there was an atmosphere of fear around ‘whistle blowing’ - even when nursing staff knew he was abusing vulnerable disabled children on the wards where he worked. The only thing that stopped Saville being tried and convicted was that he was dead by the time it all came out. He was a monster.

Because he was dead by the time it all came to light. There was incontrovertible proof of what he’d done. Do you doubt he would have been convicted had he lived to stand trial ?

I've taught very pretty, very tall 12 year old girls who I would have thought were 18 if I hadn't known otherwise! I don't think an adult man would have been unreasonable to fancy one of them if he saw them out and about and didn't know their real age. He would have been unreasonable to ask them out (or worse) if he knew their real age. Nothing to do with paedophilia, which is attraction to pre-pubescent children. Didn't all men fancy you when you were a teenage girl? They certainly fancied me at that age, and I'm no supermodel.

Because lots of people actually looked into it rather than just getting outraged by the headlines. Whether you want to accept it or not, there is mounds of evidence pointing to these allegations being extortion going back to the 90s case.

His contribution to music and culture continues to be celebrated as it should be.

Why do people keep trotting this out ? MJ was alive to stand trial for the allegations and found not guilty. Savile was dead by the time what he had done came into the public domain. In light of the hundreds of people who came forward and the details of the atmosphere of fear of reporting him because of the connections in high places he had, do you actually think if he had lived to stand trial, he would have been acquitted ?

No, I said how could he have found a child attractive. Even at 16 she's still a child. He was 24, it would be different if he was 15 or 16 himself.

There is a whole history of predatory men in the entertainment industry, some like Saville predated in secret, apparently Elvis liked young girls all his life. His cronies would pick them out for him from the gates at Graceland.

And yes, Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old and, even though child marriage is legal in the US, it caused quite a storm. So Presley's management kept their relationship quiet.

Not confused at all thanks. You asked a question. I answered it. Whether I believe my child or not is not the issue. It’s what’s decided by the jury and the rule of law.

Because he was acquitted twice. There is no proof that he ever did anything wrong.

Genuine question. How is ‘reading up on him’ and believing the victims proof of anything ? Except maybe in your own mind ?

Stop trying to be condescending. A 24 year old man, or a 40 year old per the celine dion example, fancying a 14 yo, is a perv no matter how you try to excuse it.

Agree. That’s why family members of defendants are not allowed to sit on juries.