Michael Jackson

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Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled?

I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere.

After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly.

I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

Even if MJ was just a complete odd ball and everything was innocent
He certainly mentally abused those boys showering them with attention, money, affection ,building them up on a pedestal and then dropping them as soon as they reached adolescence .

Well his whole family benefit and so do Sony - so that’s really peculiar logic.

One of his sisters spoke out saying she believed the kids and talked about her own sexual abuse at the hands of her father, and she was rapidly shut down.

It's widely known that NOTHING incriminating was found on MJ's computers. But let's not let the truth stand in the way of a juicy story.

And Ian Watkins

IKR. Because he groomed the families of the boys as much as the boys themselves.

By the sound of it there are mothers on this thread who might make the same choice to send their kids to stay with a star they’re certain he’s innocent.

Fame does weird things to people.

Simple reason: his music brings in too much money for it to cancelled

Because Jackson was world renowned as being like a child. He was seen as innocent and asexual. He had a fairground. He was very childlike and people viewed his behaviour as innocent. He was seen as a Peter Pan who loved children.

Did you watch the cross examination said documentary went through? ... Neither did I, because the documentary wasn't made in a court of law. To hold someone accountable, there should be fair representation from both sides.

There was a fantastic thread on here a few years ago by a poster who was agitated about having a Rolf Harris record in a box in her attic.

No my love, wickedness does not seep out of the vinyl and take over your husband. 🤦‍♀️

I have literally listed some of the police contents list from his bedroom. It’s clear you’re not even aware what that is.

What was found on his pc was adoption searches - looking for kids to adopt. Which was quite chilling in the context of adult porn and underage nudes.

Exactly, so Glitter should have written catchier tunes and then we could forget about all the child sexual abuse

Yeah because he created that image.

Yep.

Keep telling yourself that

The documentary didn't have an aire of "we ❤️ MJ" to it, nor was it full of superfans bigging him up. It just took the claims made in Finding Neverland and offered a different viewpoint, different evidence, and highlighted the media corruption surrounding it.

I'm going to watch it again as it's been a while to refresh my memory, but a lot of it did question some of the claims made, such as (I think it was the railway) hadn't been built yet. I'll re-watch it.

Is the objection here that Sony and his family knew something happened ?

What's wrong with you! 😒

I agree, there is a lot of money at stake given the quality and length of MJ's musical career. Possibly also a lot of questions around how these kids were put in this situation in the first place. The BBC is being absolutely hammered regarding the access Saville had to kids under their watch, I'm sure there are quite a few uncomfortable people who were around MJ at the time that don't want similar questions directed at them.

The material found at his Neverland ranch, as posted on the former thread linked above, shows unequivocally that he was guilty. In any event his interviews with Louis Theroux convey out of his own mouth his complete lack of boundaries and total want of understanding as to why this presented any kind of problem whatsoever. The very least you can say about him is that he was a danger to children.

He was also an exceptionally talented artist. Others before him in the twentieth-century canon - whether artistic, music, literary, etc. - also had dubious views: a lot of fascists in the early C20 for one, and proclivities back in the 80s - Bowie, Wyman et al - which are to say the least deeply problematic. One doesn't preclude the other. The work of the Lost Prophets and Gary Gutter has likely died the same death it otherwise would have done, because it was of a moment that's now passed and it simply wasn't very good.

There is a lot of commentary about Huw Edwards in the light of this week's news, and the fact that the 'nuance' of his multi-faceted persona somehow requires 'debate' (about what?) and dissection of whether it's possible to be a talented broadcast journalist and a paedophile (it is).

But what of that? News by its very nature is tomorrow's chip paper: it's not designed to endure (very fortunately, in a much-belated irony, for Edwards himself). Likewise, Max Clifford. Who remembers that name now?

The quality and nature/genre of the work is what endures.

Because people would rather listen to Billie Jean than any old rubbish sung by Gary Glitter. It’s so much easier to cancel a naff Glam Rocker from the past, same as Savile, Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall. Who’s upset that they can’t watch those old creeps on TV anymore?

No one cares to listen to “Tie me kangaroo down sport” accompanied by a wobble board, no one is interested in watching a three legged race from a dumb 1970s game show.

But Jacko’s music is so catchy, let’s all go and watch the West End show and forget about how he fooled everyone.

The documentary itself is an example of media corruption. Sony is ultimately responsible for funding, at a distance, a documentary to protect their 3/4 billion investment in the MJ catalogue.

The railway station that supposedly wasn’t built is old hat - there were several stations built along the track at different times.

As I said the objection is that Sony owns his catalogue. So it’s basically a piece of PR.

People did talk about Savile - I used to work for a newspaper where the subeditors would correct spellings saying “it’s Savile with one L - because he’s going to one hell when he dies”. Everyone in the media knew.

Totally agree with you!