Michael Jackson

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Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled?

I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere.

After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly.

I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

Same for the female victims of Jimmy Saville ?

People read Alice in Wonderland despite the fact that Lewis carrol clearly had odd leanings towards little girls.

OP have you watched Square One? It's a counter documentary that is an interesting watch.

It’s also funded ultimately, via a network of subsidiaries, by Sony,

This story can be told several ways. What I heard is that the older child was very rude to Brad and was put right. Now, this could mean a slap, or of you're from an Asian or African household, you know how this could be disciplined.

Now, apparently, Angelina didn't like the discipline given by Brad and proceeded to tell it in a way that painted Brad as a drunk child abuser.

Anyway, I'm not going to start cancelling Brad, and I certainly will never cancel Michael Jackson, who was taken to court TWICE and won.

I don't know how anyone can see that interview and not see all the red flags flying about, he may as well have stuck a sign on his head saying I like little boys

Yes the Australian guy lied years ago to protect Jackson and said he hadn't been abused by him, when he went on trial I think back in the early 00s. He explained why in the documentary but essentially at that point, he wasn't ready to speak up and didn't want to jeopardise his own career.

As for him coming from an abusive family/childhood I really don't think that's accurate. Yes his mother was chasing fame and relocated the family from Australia to LA essentially because Jackson promised the moon on a stick and she was totally caught up in it, as were the other family.

How anybody can watch that harrowing documentary and not believe these men beggars belief imo.

But yet they have broadly been disbelieved and it's a fucking disgusting.

It's clear to me from the detailed accounts of these two (pretty broken men) that all the things they said happened did in fact happen.

Plus all of the other stories/court cases that have come out over the years. How can people still continue to defend Jackson?

Basically he died before he could be convicted, which makes it easier for fans to pretend he wasn't a paedophile.

It’s interesting that mothers, who are presumably super careful about paedophiles and what influences they expose their children to in real life, throw it all out of the window for a global superstar.

A global superstar with drug and alcohol problems who is on record as sharing his bed with boys. Whose bedroom contents itemised by the police included adult porn jumbled in with arty books of child and teenage nudes, even a child’s pyjama bottoms with blood on them.

He wasn't found guilty of any child abuse. The doc came out after he passed away, so basically there's a lot of people out there who think he must have not done it.
I can't believe someone grown adult male sleeping in the bed with little boys could ever be construed as anything other than grooming at the very least.
It does seem a bit off. But he was never convicted so some would say should be regarded as innocent.
It's almost like he's treated differently, as if he's another species entirely with his own set of rules he can get away with?

Would you have sent your small child to one of his "sleep overs" ?

and how many times are there wrongful convictions both innocent AND guilty.

The answer is it happens all the time. The legal system certainly isn't fool proof.

Just because he was found innocent doesn't mean jack shit. If you're wealthy and let's face it, Jackson was a cash cow for a great many people, it's not surprising he was found innocent.

Say what you like about the weirdo and his fans, bizarre to suggest his music’s mediocre.

I think things would be different if it happened now. With social media.

It is odd he is still idolised.

That poster is absolutely correct, his music is mediocre at best.

I completely agree! I change the radio station whenever his music comes on as it just makes me feel sick now. I think it’s wrong that there is now an MJ musical in London.

I love me some "mediocre" MJ music.

Those allegations were a pack of lies, he never laid a finger on those little guys

What a load of horseshit. Have you watched the documentary? How can you be so cocky sure of that?!

Frankly, I don't think it's good to "cancel" anyone. People are punished by the criminal justice system - there's no need for the rest of us to get on our moral high horse. But the quality of someone's output is obviously going to affect their legacy, purely in terms of the work. So, yes, most people would agree that Caravaggio was a better artist than Gary Glitter was a singer, ergo his work will endure longer.

I used to feel very uncomfortable about listening to Michael Jackson’s music when he was still alive, because I believe the people who say he abused them and I didn’t want to support him in any way.

Now that he’s dead I don’t feel the same way about it because he isn’t around to benefit from any of the profits of his work. Anything that is made from his music now goes to his estate, which supports his children. Nothing he did was their fault and I’m sure they suffer too as a result of being associated with him, so I feel fine about them benefiting from his music.

This is key for me. MJ may or may not have assaulted those boys, I honestly don’t know, and I’ve watched the documentaries, but why, why would you send your child to stay in house of a man that you basically do not know? I don’t care how famous he is, it’s just wrong. And this also goes for the parents of Usher, who allowed their child to live with Diddy.

Re Michael Jackson, probably none of us know the truth. And it's perfectly possible to enjoy his music AND still feel that you wouldn't have wanted your young sons to be around him. The two are not mutually exclusive. That's the point.... work and individual are viewed separately.