Michael Jackson

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Why has Michael Jackson not been cancelled?

I don’t understand why a musical has been made out of his music, and why his music is played at school discos and is still everywhere.

After I watched the documentary where the men described how he raped them, I won’t listen to his music at all, in fact, I feel a sense of disgust when it is played publicly.

I don’t understand why we seem to have cancelled everyone else except him. Is it because he died before he was officially found guilty?

Anybody accused of what MJ had been would have been foolish beyond reason to stand trial without securing the services of the best lawyers they could afford.

Why then, is it always the assertion on MN that if you can afford good lawyers, you are somehow buying a not guilty verdict ? I saw the same argument applied on a thread some time ago regarding the woman who had a seizure behind the wheel of her car and drove into a school yard, killing two little girls. She had incontrovertible medical evidence of a seizure during which she lost consciousness and was found not to be responsible for their deaths. When it came to light that she was quite wealthy, those who had supported her changed their tune in the same way - her expensive lawyers got her off. It was nonsense then and it’s nonsense now.

He doesn't 'get a pass' though, because he is dead. His music gets a pass because he is no longer here to profit by it. There's a point to cancelling an artist by not buying their music/cancelling their stage shows. 1) it's punitive. Hitting them where it hurts, their bank balance or their need to perform. 2) If their position as a result of being wealthy and famous made it easier to abuse, stripping them of those two things along with high public knowledge make it much harder for them to continue abusing.
None of this applies to Jackson because he is dead. There's nothing we can do to punish or prevent his actions now. What would be the point?

No not reaching, I was asking, I am genuinely interested so thanks for answering. Although no amount of talking will ever make me change my mind, I believe he is guilty, I always have and I always will

I wasn’t alluding to his facial features, I was answering the poster who was ultimately deleted for the comment about MJ fans being bizarre.

Your post literally makes no sense at all

It actually does you know. Cancelling an artist is about hitting them where it hurts. You can’t do that to a dead person. They have nothing to lose.

In what way? Did I write it in Swahili?

No it’s not, it’s about cancelling their legacy and impact on society.

Youre welcome

I think the MJ fan club has been rattled. Bet you this thread makes the newsletter this month

If it doesn't get deleted first like most of the other MJ threads.

How on earth is this making excuses for ‘nonces’. It’s pointing out the difference between asking a girl out in the belief they’re older than they are, and asking them out knowing their real age. I well remember being mistaken for at least 18-19 when I was only 14, and a lot of it was intentional on my part. We may not like it, and knowing what I know now, I cringe when I look back, but let’s not pretend it doesn’t happen.

Well no, the cancel culture is about holding celebrities accountable for their actions and ostracising them from their ‘communities’ thereby hitting them where it hurts - in their ability to perform and earn their living - not to mention making it difficult for them to continue their ‘transgressions’. Difficult to do that when they’re dead. And MJ wasn’t convicted of anything, so his legacy and impact on society are still ‘celebrated’ if that’s the way you want to look at it - music still played regularly, dance videos accessible online etc. As I said, not really much of a fan of MJ, but some of the opinions expressed here say a lot about the double standards applied.

Exactly.

No it’s about putting out a message to society that there is always a consequence to your actions. Dead or alive.

Keep on going with that he wasn’t convicted. He is literally in the same club as Saville. Neither were convicted but we all know exactly what they are.

It’s actually sickening that there’s people on a parenting site excusing him

Not excusing what he did in any way shape or form. We should have cancelled him when he was alive. The point is, there WASN'T a consequence for him personally. There should have been, but there wasn't. And cancelling his music now isn't any sort of 'consequence' for him, personally, because he is dead.

I certainly make no excuses for the man. I think he was guilty as hell. I just don't see what removing the one good thing he did (if you like his music) will do to mitigate the immensely bad thing he did.
Willing to own I may be wrong, but I promise you I have no desire to excuse the man in any way for crimes I absolutely believe he committed.

I am proud to say i never bought a single record of his, i always found him a creep, he made my teeth itch from a very young age. Elton john has had the same effect on me since i first saw him on tv when i was about 5.

No it’s a fact. Savile should not have been allowed around children by the BBC. Are you going to say Savile is innocent now too?

I don’t think the consequences for him are the point. The point is the consequences for his victims who have been disbelieved and harassed. And for society. We had to grow up as a society and face that “stars” can be serious sexual abusers otherwise it will happen again.

I think the musical is in poor taste. I can imagine a very dark and disturbing musical/play that could be made about his life but I doubt his estate would give permission for his music to be played.

Fandom is a very bizarre phenomenon in any case. But certainly fandom of a man with serious drug and alcohol problems, a face disfigured by surgery, a weird falsetto voice and a self-proclaimed habit of sharing a bed with little boys is among the most bizarre.

On the radio.
At school discos.
At parties and holiday camps.
I don’t own any MJ records and I don’t think they have him on their Spotify playlists.

It's interesting watching the legal secretary of Evan Chandlers lawyer. Money was certainly the focus from the outset rather than 'justice'.

I can't imagine any other male pop star who was around at the same time as Michael Jackson who admitted to sharing his bed with unrelated little boys being met with the same reaction as Jackson was.

The childlike persona which he presented could have been genuine or it could have been an excellent way to cove up his true character. I remember watching Finding Neverland and thinking that, at the very least, he was a seriously disturbed individual.

I still remember Jarvis Cocker at the Brits in 1996 after the thoroughly bizarre performance of Earth Song.

Michael Jackson was clearly a troubled person and I think that the musical is purely a money spinning exercise which really didn't need to be made.