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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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poetryandwine · 07/08/2024 23:03

But it was cheaper under Clinton than under Trump. If Trump gets credit, does Clinton?

Molly70 · 07/08/2024 23:07

poetryandwine · 07/08/2024 23:03

But it was cheaper under Clinton than under Trump. If Trump gets credit, does Clinton?

Yes, of course

poetryandwine · 07/08/2024 23:13

Thank you for that, @Molly70

Since writing I have been searching on the question ‘How much can the US President affect gasoline prices?’ All if the oil and business authors say the answer is s ‘Not much’. The real power seems to lie with OPEC.

creamofroses · 07/08/2024 23:16

I'm excited about the running mate pick of Tim Walz. For the first time, I think Harris has a fighting chance against Trump, which gives me hope for the future. Trump is a fun TV boss, narcissistic, contrary, petulant, toddleresque - that's good for reality TV, but terrifying as "the leader of the free world".

Molly70 · 07/08/2024 23:24

poetryandwine · 07/08/2024 23:13

Thank you for that, @Molly70

Since writing I have been searching on the question ‘How much can the US President affect gasoline prices?’ All if the oil and business authors say the answer is s ‘Not much’. The real power seems to lie with OPEC.

A well known strategy has been to release the oil reserves when gas prices get high near election time.

pikkumyy77 · 07/08/2024 23:54

Molly70 · 07/08/2024 23:24

A well known strategy has been to release the oil reserves when gas prices get high near election time.

Interesting that you should say that Famously—though you don’t seem to know it—Biden lowered gas prices and broke the OPEC stranglehold by strategically releasing oil from our strategic reserves when they threatened to restrict supply. Then when he had driven prices down he bought back and made a handy profit for the country.

You are welcome.

Also I think you would find, if you cared to actually u derstand the reality, that world wide gas prices were down under part of Trump’s reign because of COVID and decreased consumer demand. Its not because of what Trump did. Demand has risen again because the US economy has been doing well under Biden and people are returning to travel and using their cars to get to work.

Molly70 · 07/08/2024 23:57

pikkumyy77 · 07/08/2024 23:54

Interesting that you should say that Famously—though you don’t seem to know it—Biden lowered gas prices and broke the OPEC stranglehold by strategically releasing oil from our strategic reserves when they threatened to restrict supply. Then when he had driven prices down he bought back and made a handy profit for the country.

You are welcome.

Also I think you would find, if you cared to actually u derstand the reality, that world wide gas prices were down under part of Trump’s reign because of COVID and decreased consumer demand. Its not because of what Trump did. Demand has risen again because the US economy has been doing well under Biden and people are returning to travel and using their cars to get to work.

The economy WAS doing well under Biden, now there are fears of a recession

pikkumyy77 · 07/08/2024 23:57

All of this back and forth with Trump apologists is utterly besides the point. The race is binary: you either chose Trump and a national ban on abortion, a “fugitive uterus “ policy that tracks women’s periods and denies them the right to travel for reproductive freedom or you vote for the Democrat. That’s it. That is the choice.

Molly70 · 07/08/2024 23:59

I would hope the current discussion emphasizes that there are numerous issues voters have to grapple with before casting their vote.

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 00:04

pikkumyy77 · 07/08/2024 23:57

All of this back and forth with Trump apologists is utterly besides the point. The race is binary: you either chose Trump and a national ban on abortion, a “fugitive uterus “ policy that tracks women’s periods and denies them the right to travel for reproductive freedom or you vote for the Democrat. That’s it. That is the choice.

There will be no nationwide ban. The Supreme Court moved the decisions back to the individual States.

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 00:13

If people don’t like their states ban on abortion then they are free to elect state politician's that are more aligned with their beliefs

knitnerd90 · 08/08/2024 01:38

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 00:04

There will be no nationwide ban. The Supreme Court moved the decisions back to the individual States.

That doesn't mean they can't pass a law. What the Supreme Court said is there is no national right. Congress could pass a law banning abortion. Right now Trump says he won't. But if you believe that I have some Florida swampland for you. Three justices got up and said, under oath, that Roe was settled law and then voted to overturn it. Trump has changed his mind half a dozen times on abortion, and no matter how unpopular bans are, there's a segment of the GOP that will settle for nothing less.

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 01:42

A small segment. Congress is very unlikely to do this as they don’t want the political fall out.

user556453 · 08/08/2024 02:23

3CustardCreams · 07/08/2024 14:35

If this election focused on merit, Harris wouldn’t qualify to be a candidate. And neither would Trump to be fair. She isn’t good at her job and her record as a prosecutor is awful.

Do you mean her time in the DAs office or her time as Attorney General of California? Could you outline what, specifically, about her record you consider awful? Thanks!

user556453 · 08/08/2024 02:34

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 01:42

A small segment. Congress is very unlikely to do this as they don’t want the political fall out.

Go right ahead and believe that if you want, but it's self-deception of the highest order.

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 02:59

user556453 · 08/08/2024 02:34

Go right ahead and believe that if you want, but it's self-deception of the highest order.

I’m not going to cast my vote on such an unlikely scenario happening. Personally, I think there are more pressing concerns.

twodowntwotogo · 08/08/2024 08:19

Molly70 · 07/08/2024 16:38

A jury of democrats

Untrue, as another poster said.
It's very weird to just make stuff up and present it as facts.
First you claim it was a biased judiciary, then when it's pointed out that it was a jury and not judiciary, you claim the jury were democrats. Now it's pointed out that they weren't, what else are you going to make up?

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dottiehens · 08/08/2024 08:43

I just heard KH saying to TW we are going to unify this country. Lovely but wasn’t she saying that same thing with Biden? Not what I am seen so far since 2020.

3CustardCreams · 08/08/2024 10:49

Fedupmeds · 07/08/2024 22:19

I am in the nhs sector and I assure you its not about that , its about thugs and racists, so dont even try and justify farages comments .

I am also in the NHS

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2024 11:09

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 00:04

There will be no nationwide ban. The Supreme Court moved the decisions back to the individual States.

There won’t if there’s a Harris presidency. God only knows what will happen if Trump’s elected, US women will have to turn their watches back 50 years.

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 11:28

twodowntwotogo · 08/08/2024 08:19

Untrue, as another poster said.
It's very weird to just make stuff up and present it as facts.
First you claim it was a biased judiciary, then when it's pointed out that it was a jury and not judiciary, you claim the jury were democrats. Now it's pointed out that they weren't, what else are you going to make up?

When I said judiciary, I was referring to the FACT that Alvin Bragg the DA for Manhatten(who brought the charges against Trump) campaigned for his job by saying he was the best person to go after Trump. In Manhatten, people voted 87% for Biden over Trump so the jury was going to be mostly Democrats

Aussieland · 08/08/2024 11:41

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 11:28

When I said judiciary, I was referring to the FACT that Alvin Bragg the DA for Manhatten(who brought the charges against Trump) campaigned for his job by saying he was the best person to go after Trump. In Manhatten, people voted 87% for Biden over Trump so the jury was going to be mostly Democrats

the trial was carried out where he committed the crime. Maybe he should have chosen where he committed fraud in a different place 🤷‍♀️

pikkumyy77 · 08/08/2024 11:52

Recent comments on women’s rights and abortion rights in the US lead me to think we can all see the pointlessness of discussing US politics with people who do not know anything about the US.

Last night’s news about the decisive anti-rioter actions taken by police and counter protesters gives me hope. This is what I hope to see in the US in this election. 30,000 at this rally, 40,000 at that? We are seeing Obama levels of public engagement with the electoral process. Multiple affinity groups means that people are able to ally with other groups on the basis of multiple identities and interests.

Miss Molly upthread said, sniffilly, “I would hope “ that people are not basically single intetest voters. Well, the silliness of judging other people’s choices that way aside both the Republicans and the Democrats run in party platforms that offer a pretty good set of choices on a wide variety of issues.

The democrats have made it clear that the overarching principle they are defending is freedom: freedom to love, to live, to be safe from attack, to learn, etc…these are not windy abstractions but actual responses to republican legislative plans at the city, state, and federal level. The reason why people are so excited is that in many states people have seen their lives shrink and their freedoms stolen day by day under relentless rightist/theocratic attack. We actually know very well what the fight is. We have been fighting it for decades.

Voters and punters may be temporarily excited by the Dems and people with the attention span of mayflies may not stick to it—but we only have to hold the coalition against Trump together for 90+ days. After that we can continue to be governed capably by a democratic president and trump can spend more time with his family, or his lawyers.

twodowntwotogo · 08/08/2024 12:26

Molly70 · 08/08/2024 11:28

When I said judiciary, I was referring to the FACT that Alvin Bragg the DA for Manhatten(who brought the charges against Trump) campaigned for his job by saying he was the best person to go after Trump. In Manhatten, people voted 87% for Biden over Trump so the jury was going to be mostly Democrats

More waffle and untruths.

Trump was tried in New York as that's the jurisdiction where the alleged criminal activity took place. He did it to himself.
As has already been stated, the jury was not mostly democrats so the voting patterns in the state are irrelevant. The voters didn't convict him!

If you want to talk about bias and the law, maybe look at who Trump appointed to the Supreme Court.

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