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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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TickTockTickTok · 03/08/2024 17:20

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 11:53

I provided the evidence that was requested. It took 30 seconds to find it. 🤷‍♀️

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No you provided evidence that he never said that, despite what the papers fooled gullible people who are more interested in hatred than facts into thinking.

  1. TRUMP NEVER ADVISED PEOPLE TO INJECT THEMSELVES WITH BLEACH - totally made up.
  2. TRUMP NEVER MENTIONED DRINKING AT ALL LET ALONE BLEACH
  3. TRUMP NEVER MENTIONED BLEACH AT ALL - totally made up

listen and see

For context, Trump was not making a public advisory speech on how to cure yourself of COVID. If you listen to the whole thing before your clip, he was commenting on the report on ongoing research by the scientists looking into it. That is what it was about. Being Trump he was suggesting things they could look into in relation to what was reported. You hear him repeatedly saying to them about testing these things as he mentions them

He was was particularly interested in the way it had been said light could kill it and asked if we could some way introduce that into the body to kill it there. as something to be looked into (by the scientists he was addressing)

Then he addresses how disinfectant can so easily kill it, and muses if SOMETHING LIKE THAT could be introduced into the body, possibly by injection to kill it, as something to be looked into (by the scientists he was addressing)

What should he have said, children don’t try this at home? Seriously?

How anyone could contort that into him advising people to drink or inject themselves with bleach (or disinfectant). But obviously people just want to suck up that self affirming kool-aid. (For clarity, that is a saying, I do not suggest you drink or otherwise insert into your body said substance)

If Trump is as awful as all the abuse suggests surely you can take him down with more honesty. I think the lies and abuse just gives his supporters momentum against the chattering classes, who embarrassingly think they know it all, but are largely as clueless as the rest of us, but fail to understand that.

DOUBLE STANDARDS?
have you heard of the world renowned Pasteur Institute in Paris? Well at a similar time they put out a report of initial research that indicated people who smoked were 80% less likely to catch COVID. Now given COVID was often a death sentence would you be more likely to

  1. on the advice of Trump (even though he never gave that advice) slam down a bottle of Zan Izal to protect yourself (by obvious death)
  2. on the report from the world renowned Pasteur institute take up smoking to give you 80% protection.
i think there are very few (I estimate zero) who would be drinking disinfectant i thought however that was very dangerous of the Pasteur Institute without real robust investigation given how addictive and dangerous smoking is and how it is very likely people might take up this protection. But not a peep from the papers.

How many people drank disinfectant in the end. Or is it entirely possible that the ordinary people were not as gullible as those sucking up the false news reports

As far as the Vice President she was right behind Biden and the cover up and attacks on people who dare point out his very obvious issues, that stinks of dishonesty, and worse still making liars out of honest people who are right, but branded fantasists. So let us not pretend it is one sided. It is actually quite sickening the influence the super rich have either giving or withholding their massive donations. It almost feels like they can buy the election.

I personally would not advise Americans who to vote for it is their choice. They will end up with people pushing their own agenda whoever wins. Some say what they think and others what people want to hear. I thought it was shocking the way Obama tried to interfere in our referendum trying to blackmail us into voting remain. Not his place and that, and the shocking arrogant insults by some that agreed with him I imagine only made people feel stronger about voting to leave.

FlipFlops4Me · 03/08/2024 17:22

Why are people banging on relentlessly about Trump when this thread is ostensibly about Kamala Harris?

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 17:26

Then he addresses how disinfectant can so easily kill it, and muses if SOMETHING LIKE THAT could be introduced into the body, possibly by injection to kill it, as something to be looked into

I mean... come on! I watched it and even Dr. Birx (with the scarf) did not know where to put herself. Who, in the name of all that is holy, would even begin to think you can drink or inject bleach?!

Trump did!

Apparently, people died who did this. Disinfectant poisonings were up 121% as a result in that month.

user556453 · 03/08/2024 17:53

FlipFlops4Me · 03/08/2024 17:22

Why are people banging on relentlessly about Trump when this thread is ostensibly about Kamala Harris?

Because in the real world it's a binary choice.

dottiehens · 03/08/2024 18:16

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 17:26

Then he addresses how disinfectant can so easily kill it, and muses if SOMETHING LIKE THAT could be introduced into the body, possibly by injection to kill it, as something to be looked into

I mean... come on! I watched it and even Dr. Birx (with the scarf) did not know where to put herself. Who, in the name of all that is holy, would even begin to think you can drink or inject bleach?!

Trump did!

Apparently, people died who did this. Disinfectant poisonings were up 121% as a result in that month.

Pls proof who are the people who die as a result of this joke? Where? Who?

TBH whoever is as stupid as that would not stand a chance in the real world anyway. However, it is all lies and smears and yes Trump is an arsehold but even so there should be a limit of the lies and exaggerations of the Democrats. They have time to proof themselves so is they have done a great job they should be staying in power. However, some of the same and old stuff are like a broken record now.

TickTockTickTok · 03/08/2024 18:18

FlipFlops4Me · 03/08/2024 17:22

Why are people banging on relentlessly about Trump when this thread is ostensibly about Kamala Harris?

Yes sorry fair point, I was just responding to someone else, because I don’t see it as good to let fake news lie (literally)

nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 18:18

Aquamarine1029 · 03/08/2024 16:50

I don't have to justify my opinion to some random on the Internet, or anyone else for that matter. I don't care if you agree with me, and I don't get worked up when someone doesn't share my opinion.

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I don't get worked up...

Again... 🤣🤣🤣

You were the one who went sweary-mouth first and had a strop coz someone mentioned Trump - in a thread about Harris's chances against, erm.. Trump! 🤣

GrouachMacbeth · 03/08/2024 18:19

What ethnicity is she claiming to be today?

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 18:22

GrouachMacbeth · 03/08/2024 18:19

What ethnicity is she claiming to be today?

What are you talking about?
She went to a black university, joined a black sorority, has talked about being mixed race/biracial.

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Starseeking · 03/08/2024 18:43

GrouachMacbeth · 03/08/2024 18:19

What ethnicity is she claiming to be today?

Kamala Harris had an Indian born mother, and a Black Jamaican father, so she is a mix of the two and can legitimately claim both.

What race do you believe she is trying to claim that she is not part of?

user556453 · 03/08/2024 18:50

GrouachMacbeth · 03/08/2024 18:19

What ethnicity is she claiming to be today?

For the hard of thinking out there.

Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?
TempestTost · 03/08/2024 19:25

LeatherTuscadero · 03/08/2024 11:57

To answer the OP's question, I'm obsessed with the presidential race since Joe Biden stepped down. I've probably read every article about Kamala in the New York Times and the Guardian, and signed up to a bunch of new podcasts as well. After a while I realised I was probably in a left-wing bubble, so I've deliberately been reading right-wing critiques of her, and trying to find right-wing podcasts as well.

The only right-wing podcast I can really stand to listen to is Megyn Kelly's. She's the ex-Fox News presenter about whom Trump said "She had blood coming out of her wherever." She uses her previous combative relationship with Trump to prove JD Vance could be be sincere when he transformed his opinion of Trump - because she has as well.

She has long-form interviews with conservatives who do make good points, and I'm glad I'm listening to the other side. But not the most famous nutcases like Hannity.

Can Kamala's wave of popularity carry her beyond the Republicans' in-built electoral college advantage?

You'll do better looking for serious conservative political commentary with youtube and other types of podcasts, in my experience. I like Glen Loury, and Coleman Hughes to some extent, he's very accessible in any case. I'd also keep an eye on Triggernormatry, they have some interesting people on though it's less US focused. Unheard can have some interesting written analysis.

It seems like news stations political analysis is just really bad these days, all sound bite based.

If you are willing to try podcasts maybe Tom Woods, Tim Poole. Some of Jordan Peterson's interviews are quite interesting though you really have to sift through them.

If you want to read, Andrew Sullivan might be a good choice, he's not a conservative's conservative, but he gives a good sense I think of smart conservative's perspectives and concerns.

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:30

Harris was ELECTED as Attorney General in the most populous state in the country, was ELECTED to the US Senate and ELECTED as Vice-President to Biden. Maybe people don't under that none of those positions are appointed; they are elected. Another point that may not be understood: the United States has over 42 MILLION people who identity as "black," which is over 12% of the population. Approximately 71% identifies as "white."

poetryandwine · 03/08/2024 19:39

Aquamarine1029 · 03/08/2024 16:50

I don't have to justify my opinion to some random on the Internet, or anyone else for that matter. I don't care if you agree with me, and I don't get worked up when someone doesn't share my opinion.

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But you do get worked up. You referred to someone who supports KH above as a ‘twat’. Your word, not mine. Or was that just a little joke?

TickTockTickTok · 03/08/2024 19:39

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:30

Harris was ELECTED as Attorney General in the most populous state in the country, was ELECTED to the US Senate and ELECTED as Vice-President to Biden. Maybe people don't under that none of those positions are appointed; they are elected. Another point that may not be understood: the United States has over 42 MILLION people who identity as "black," which is over 12% of the population. Approximately 71% identifies as "white."

That is interesting I thought the vice president was chosen by the person running for president, rather than specifically voted for as vice president Is that wrong?

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:42

No. Joe Biden selected Harris as his running mate. The ticket of Biden/Harris was elected with more 81 million votes. A vote is cast for the ticket, not just president.

user556453 · 03/08/2024 19:44

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:42

No. Joe Biden selected Harris as his running mate. The ticket of Biden/Harris was elected with more 81 million votes. A vote is cast for the ticket, not just president.

Exactly, and to add, the vote is cast with the full understanding the the vice president is next in line to the presidency.

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:48

Yes, next in line to the presidency in the case of the president no longer being able to serve. But, as you can see with Trump's choice this round, he did NOT select his previous VP. Someone could challenge Harris for the Democratic nomination; it's not a gimme.

user556453 · 03/08/2024 19:50

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:48

Yes, next in line to the presidency in the case of the president no longer being able to serve. But, as you can see with Trump's choice this round, he did NOT select his previous VP. Someone could challenge Harris for the Democratic nomination; it's not a gimme.

I love this clip

Pete Buttigieg on JD Vance | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

The Honorable Pete Buttigieg gets real about Donald Trump's newly-minted running mate, JD Vance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XuIEg_Y4fM

TickTockTickTok · 03/08/2024 20:11

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 17:26

Then he addresses how disinfectant can so easily kill it, and muses if SOMETHING LIKE THAT could be introduced into the body, possibly by injection to kill it, as something to be looked into

I mean... come on! I watched it and even Dr. Birx (with the scarf) did not know where to put herself. Who, in the name of all that is holy, would even begin to think you can drink or inject bleach?!

Trump did!

Apparently, people died who did this. Disinfectant poisonings were up 121% as a result in that month.

Oh dear you are deep into the kool-aid

once again READ MY LIPS - or better still next time you “watch it” press the unmute button so you can listen to the evidence in the video, rather than your dog whistle response repeating fake news

  1. TRUMP NEVER ADVISED PEOPLE TO INJECT THEMSELVES WITH BLEACH - totally made up.
  2. TRUMP NEVER MENTIONED DRINKING AT ALL LET ALONE BLEACH
  3. TRUMP NEVER MENTIONED BLEACH AT ALL - totally made up

muses if SOMETHING LIKE THAT could be introduced into the body, possibly by injection to kill it, as something to be looked into.

something like that is not that
he was not making recommendations to the public how to cure themselves
He was making suggestions for further research to the scientists based on what they had just reported. Of course as President he should be careful what he says, especially if already aware that there are a load of lying reporters ready to make things up, that (as here) vulnerable people reading newspapers are willing to believe.

Also you say
Apparently, people died who did this.
Disinfectant poisonings were up 121%as a result in that month.”

Ah lies, damn lies and statistics - I think that was the name of the book

Who are these people who apparently did this and died.
Not finding any concrete proof of this with a causative link
surely you would not make this up without evidence

Really up 121% as a result in that month - surely more fake news

Do you want to explain why, or should I.

Do you want to provide the proof of a causative link
Or should I explain why your absolute statement does not hold water

clue perhaps …
you could consider when this happened (April 23rd 20) right at the height of COVID beginning to spread like wildfire in the West.
(You remember after WHO backed Chinas falsehoods, and said it was not necessary to stop flights)
That is 1 week from the end of the month for the stats you quote
people were terrified and stock piling disinfectant it was everywhere
most of the cases were from inhaling from spraying everything that moved
ingesting cases largely being children accidentally drinking it because it was out

Most importantly and unsurprisingly the numbers had already started increasing exponentially for the last few months (all stated as % increase over the same months in 2019), and actually by April (which as explained only had a week left after he made his comments), the rate of increase month on month was already slowing (biggest increase had been between February and March). Falling considerably further in May, just 1 week after his comments

Which actually all suggests the reverse of what you are stating.

At the end of the day stats are just numbers, if they are not given context. Of course disinfectant poisonings would be up at the start of the pandemic compared with the previous year. It was being sprayed all over and constantly used so people were inhaling it and kids could get it more easily. But the rate of increase was already dropping dramatically when Trump made his comment, and continued to drop even further in the weeks after his comments.

TickTockTickTok · 03/08/2024 20:46

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 19:48

Yes, next in line to the presidency in the case of the president no longer being able to serve. But, as you can see with Trump's choice this round, he did NOT select his previous VP. Someone could challenge Harris for the Democratic nomination; it's not a gimme.

Ah that is interesting, thank you.

Sorry I should have said the person running for president chooses their running mate, not vice president (of course they will not be vice president unless their team are voted in).

I did understand that the vice automatically takes over if anything happens to the president, presumably no matter how soon that were to occur. Hopefully unlikely (but given what happened to Trump who knows). what would happen if the presidential candidate for one of the parties died the night before the election, given presumably the ballot paper would be asking you to vote for them as a team, but that team no longer exists for you to vote for.

and presumably then when you vote in the US, each option lists the party and both the presidential and vice presidential candidates.

So currently Trump will deffo be the candidate for his party, but Kamala not yet confirmed. There seems to be a lot of momentum around her now (so I just naively assumed she had been). There was also that thing with Obama not specifically promoting her but don’t know if that has changed.

sorry for all the questions but it’s nice to learn.

SpuytenDuyvil · 03/08/2024 21:09

She has been successful in garnering the support of all the major Democrats who she would hope for.

TempestTost · 03/08/2024 23:07

There was also that thing with Obama not specifically promoting her but don’t know if that has changed.

I think Obama was looking to have a different candidate than Harris. He has endorsed her now, not much choice I guess really.

user556453 · 03/08/2024 23:25

TempestTost · 03/08/2024 23:07

There was also that thing with Obama not specifically promoting her but don’t know if that has changed.

I think Obama was looking to have a different candidate than Harris. He has endorsed her now, not much choice I guess really.

I believe Obama was instrumental behind the scenes in convincing Biden to step aside, so wanted some time to elapse before endorsing so it didn't appear he had elbowed Biden out in her favour. He and Michelle paid tribute to the Biden's, waited a week or so and then publicly endorsed Harris, which is the right way to have done it.

If Barack Obama had truly wanted a different candidate, I'm pretty sure there would be a different candidate.

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 23:30

TBH whoever is as stupid as that would not stand a chance in the real world anyway

So people who are not super intelligent shouldn't listen to their president.

OK got you

I'll repeat again..
Apparently, people died who did this. Disinfectant poisonings were up 121% as a result in that month.

Fact. Many different sources say this.

Who are these people who apparently did this and died.

Go and look
There are reports out there of people who said that they tried this as a result of what trump said.

Back him all you like. It's laughable