To think the Khelif issue is now raising more big questions in sport

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Biological men should not be fighting women how is this even happening ?? Two 'women' failed eligibility tests by the IBA. Yet the IOC deem them suitable it's mind boggling

I wish that MN could have a pinned post option which allowed someone to create a post with factual information that is assessed by MN to be valid.

No credit for this: "complicated" my arse

www.republicworld.com/sports/paris-olympics/is-imane-khelif-really-a-biological-male-another-side-no-one-is-talking-about-paris-olympics#

That's the thing with blokes,they do tend to 'look a bit masculine.'

I'm not taking her apology as anything other than given under duress.

Ahh wicked. Don’t stop being you!

She was born with female genitals so therefore assigned female at birth. Her levels of testosterone and suitability for the female category are another issue but I’m just pointing out she’s not male as many are assuming

Yeah, that sounds about right.

She was born with female genitals and was assigned female at birth. She isn’t transgender as many are assuming

It's obviously Mark Adams is behind this, he is the idealogue who is pushing this farce.

IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said the IBA’s decision had been taken “arbitrarily” and said that Khelif “was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female and has a female passport”. He added: “There has been some confusion that somehow it’s a man fighting a woman. This is just not the case scientifically.”
Adams cast doubt on the testing carried out by the IBA. “We don’t know if the test was accurate. We don’t know whether we should believe the test,” he said, adding that there was “a difference between the test taking place and whether we accept the accuracy or even the protocol of the test”.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/aug/02/boxing-olympics-lisa-nandy-imane-khelif-lin-yu-ting

No one is assuming that Khelif is transgender, Khelif is male with a DSD.

There's absolutely nothing to stop the IOC requiring these athletes to have their genetic karyotype tested, and then they will have their own proof.

Me either, but it's just an extra heartbreak that she's being made to do this.

Or mis-observed for a (then) unrecognised condition that revealed itself over time?

From your article

“Under DSD, a person's chromosomes and physical characteristics are affected hence labelling a DSD person as ‘Biological Male’ or ‘Biological Female’ is wrong.”

This is philosophical belief framing categorisation.

There are only two sexes- male and female. This is established science. A male person with a DSD is just that. A male person with a DSD.

Maybe do your own reading, reading original sources and ones that strip away emotional reasoning and focus on the science. That could give you the foundation to be able to work out what is fact, and what is not.

Was he? Says who? Can you provide evidence of this? No one here is assuming he is transgender!

He might not be trans but he's not female. Ambiguous genitals caused by male line DSDs are not female genitals. They can cause confusion but sex can be confirmed by further markers, as has happened here. He's male with a male line DSD and once he knew that, he was absolutely unjustified to continue competing against women.

A male person with a DSD is a male person with a DSD. They are not ‘biological females’. Even a male person who cannot process testosterone is a male person. Only male people can have the DSD they have
Totally incorrect.

Who is assuming this?

Or have you assumed that people on this thread have assumed this?

Seriously, RTFT

Please link up your evidence.

I don't think it's too far say it's further abuse. Are we really saying it's not in the same place as "why did you make me do this?" "You're mental,I never said/did that!"
Edited for typo

I don't think I've seen a anyone on this thread who thinks Khelif is transgender. Please let us in on how you 'know' Khelif was born with female genitals.

He might not be trans but he's not female. Ambiguous genitals caused by male line DSDs are not female genitals. They can cause confusion but sex can be confirmed by further markers, as has happened here. He's male with a male line DSD and once he knew that, he was absolutely unjustified to continue competing against women
Totally unfunded too. You can have DSD with XY chromosomes with perfectly formed female genitalia.

Where do posters get such misinformation?

The article linked by Running is dumb and misleading.

Archive version. https://archive.ph/6nGXz

She was assigned female at birth