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Explain to me like I’m 5!

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MyOtherHusbandIsAWash · 01/08/2024 20:28

Why are people in Hartlepool and London rioting following the horrific Southport stabbings? I understand it seems to be the far right but what are they actually rioting about? I genuinely don’t understand-the news doesn’t seem to say an actual agenda. What do they want?

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SummerSnowstorm · 01/08/2024 20:44

MyOtherHusbandIsAWash · 01/08/2024 20:35

But the guy is British? He was born in Cardiff wasn’t he? Or are they just doing the delightful thing of equating whiteness with Britishness? TBF I can’t say I’m surprised! Not exactly an army of Nobel potentials…

He is, but his parents apparently migrated from Rwanda so I'm assuming it's some sort of blame on "cultural differences".
An ironic argument when recently there were arguments for how Rwanda is a wonderful country to send people to, can't be both ways!

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 01/08/2024 20:44

Funny how nobody rioted when that man from radio 5's family were killed with a cross bow. Or when Lucy Letby murdered all those babies (leaving aside the theories that she didn't, she has been convicted twice). Or any number of awful awful killings committed by white British nationals. Almost as if the far right are deliberately trying to stir up trouble with a racist agenda.

ghostyslovesheets · 01/08/2024 20:45

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:44

@cupcaske123 an Asian man was randomly punched by a man who was rioting in Hartlepool. A mosque was a target in Southport.

Yup and I imagine just being afraid to walk down your road because they are there and you are not white also feels a bit like an attack

HappierTimesAhead · 01/08/2024 20:45

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:44

@cupcaske123 an Asian man was randomly punched by a man who was rioting in Hartlepool. A mosque was a target in Southport.

Not to mention the horrific online abuse towards Muslims.

shellyleppard · 01/08/2024 20:45

@cupcaske123 they attacked a mosque, beat up an Asian guy just walking along the street. Its all going to hell in a handcart

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:47

Absolutely, it must be terrifying to be Asian or just not definitely white British in towns where this rioting has been happening. The things that people are chanting are just out and out racist. Racist name calling, attacking mosques, chanting "this is our town".... intimidating is an understatement.

TeaGinandFags · 01/08/2024 20:49

I blame the French.

Too much garlic ...

shellyleppard · 01/08/2024 20:50

@MyOtherHusbandIsAWash its absolutely horrible. I've stopped watching the news anymore as its too upsetting

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 20:51

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:44

@cupcaske123 an Asian man was randomly punched by a man who was rioting in Hartlepool. A mosque was a target in Southport.

I've just looked that up. Didn't know. Yes that's terrible.

sanityisamyth · 01/08/2024 20:51

NuffSaidSam · 01/08/2024 20:29

Because they're thick.

They want an excuse to smash things up and set things on fire and behave like idiots.

They don't understand the news either.

This.

MyOtherHusbandIsAWash · 01/08/2024 20:52

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 01/08/2024 20:44

Funny how nobody rioted when that man from radio 5's family were killed with a cross bow. Or when Lucy Letby murdered all those babies (leaving aside the theories that she didn't, she has been convicted twice). Or any number of awful awful killings committed by white British nationals. Almost as if the far right are deliberately trying to stir up trouble with a racist agenda.

Yes almost like it’s not really about the kids 🤔

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letsjustdothis · 01/08/2024 20:53

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:47

Absolutely, it must be terrifying to be Asian or just not definitely white British in towns where this rioting has been happening. The things that people are chanting are just out and out racist. Racist name calling, attacking mosques, chanting "this is our town".... intimidating is an understatement.

We're used to it.

I did actually raise an eyebrow back when there were Jews on the news saying they were scared to walk through London now, because it's been that way for me my whole life.

OneTC · 01/08/2024 20:53

MyOtherHusbandIsAWash · 01/08/2024 20:28

Why are people in Hartlepool and London rioting following the horrific Southport stabbings? I understand it seems to be the far right but what are they actually rioting about? I genuinely don’t understand-the news doesn’t seem to say an actual agenda. What do they want?

Nice weather

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:57

@letsjustdothis I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the rest of the time everything is hunky-dory.

Daltonbear1 · 01/08/2024 20:59

Russian propaganda stated that the guy was a Muslim. An actual fake news article Which I did see on Twitter that started them off. So they wanted to attack a mosque. They came to a vigil in Southport with booze absolute scum . The same thing they did in london and hartlepool.
No reasons needed for violence many are football hooligan types even though yes edl has been disbanded same old tory Robinson stirring the pot. Farage to saying the police might not be telling truth jobs he needs to be claimed as a putin apologist traitor. They are not patriots they are traitors one guy in London had nazi salute

Sirzy · 01/08/2024 20:59

SilenceInside · 01/08/2024 20:47

Absolutely, it must be terrifying to be Asian or just not definitely white British in towns where this rioting has been happening. The things that people are chanting are just out and out racist. Racist name calling, attacking mosques, chanting "this is our town".... intimidating is an understatement.

I’m not for a second going to speak for how those from targeted groups are feeling. But as someone who lives close to Southport the overwhelming message from those living there was that the rioters weren’t speaking for them and they very much disagree with the riots and the motives.

The Imam of the Mosque targeted has said he knows it wasn’t locals and locals have been nothing but welcoming.

it very much seems like in Southport it was “rent a mob” who came in from out of town.

InfoSecInTheCity · 01/08/2024 21:00

It's absolutely nothing to do with the kids and everything to do with anti-migration racist louts.

We don't know anything about why this horrific crime was committed except that it was by a 17 year old boy who we now know is born of immigrant parents but has lived in the UK for most if not all of his life.

I think it would be reasonable to say that it is highly likely there are some mental health issues at play here because why else would a teenager, a minor in the eyes of our laws, someone who is not considered old enough to make sensible and reasonable decisions about drinking, tattoos, who to vote for etc have gone on a killing spree with a kitchen knife of small children and their predominantly female teachers/carers.

Making this about Muslims (as far as I'm aware he is not Muslim) or asylum seekers involved making a number of assumptions to fit an agenda.

thursdaymurderclub · 01/08/2024 21:00

because they are ignorant racist thugs... without a brain cell between them! and because the numpty nigel farrage is an idiot!

Soukmyfalafel · 01/08/2024 21:02

My theory is that in the past, having a dick, a massive ego and sense of entitlement was enough to allow you to bullshit through life and be relatively successful. You didn't need a brain, just to be a bit of a bully. Now that is no longer enough and now people see these people for who they are - narcissistic, entitled weirdos with no critical thinking skills. Women now find them repulsive, not attractive. It's a struggle for them this loss of power, so rioting allows them to swing their dicks about and be self-righteous, and doing this amongst other like minded people makes them feel powerful.

I do think there will be more of this sadly. I think it is a symptom of COL and people not earning enough to have a decent level of living. Anger flows into the wrong channels then and is directed towards immigrants. These race related riots were common in other times where deprivation has increased.

It's the same situation with people perpetrating these attack really. They want to lash out and be recognised/gain notoriety. Any attention is good attention, even if they are despised.

You didn't really need it explained to you though did you OP? You just wanted people to pile on and call them twats. Happy to oblige.

Dweetfidilove · 01/08/2024 21:10

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 01/08/2024 20:44

Funny how nobody rioted when that man from radio 5's family were killed with a cross bow. Or when Lucy Letby murdered all those babies (leaving aside the theories that she didn't, she has been convicted twice). Or any number of awful awful killings committed by white British nationals. Almost as if the far right are deliberately trying to stir up trouble with a racist agenda.

Right ☹️.

RedPoster · 01/08/2024 21:10

This thread will not end well.

They’ll turn up soon enough.

If they aren’t already here.

Titouenk · 01/08/2024 21:11

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runrabbitruns · 01/08/2024 21:22

Just more angry uneducated white men.

GoodieMcTwoshoes · 01/08/2024 21:22

Often when there's a high profile crime by someone who isn't White British, the media (at least the BBC) and police try to keep the ethnicity of the perpetrator quiet for as long as possible (and often religion, although I understand this guy is/was supposedly Christian.)

They do this to try and stop riots kicking off.

It finally happened.

MyOtherHusbandIsAWash · 01/08/2024 21:24

letsjustdothis · 01/08/2024 20:53

We're used to it.

I did actually raise an eyebrow back when there were Jews on the news saying they were scared to walk through London now, because it's been that way for me my whole life.

I’m sorry, that’s awful (I’m well aware it’s like that but it always warrants acknowledgement). I hope current events do not escalate things for you.

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